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Mary Winkler: Victim Of Pornography Demons

Posted by Job on April 20, 2007

All right people, still believe that demons are not real? Then check out this link to a weblog entry which describes the pornography angle in the case of the Tennessee minister killed by his wife. Turns out that the guy was hooked on pornography, big time, and felt that he could defile his bedroom with that stuff, whether his wife consented or not! And realize this: Matthew Winkler may be dead, but the evil spirits that entered into him because of the sins of lust, pornography, perversion, unnatural affection, and abusing his wife (whom he was supposed to be loving as Christ loved the church) are still out there, looking for their next victim. And thanks to our absolute failure to do anything to stop pornography, even protect kids from it, there will be PLENTY of people for them to use to cause plenty of havoc to rape and sexually exploit, with vulnerable children and confused teenagers being their primary targets. Which, of course, causes emotional, mental, and psychological problems  (and demon possession) in still more kids. This nation is fast turning into a spiritual basket case, and we are foolish to think that things like gun control laws, hate crimes laws, abstinence and values education, etc. is going to turn things around. We need to get back to the Bible; to turn back to God. We need to do what the Ninevites did when God warned them that they would be destroyed. What makes us think that we are better than the Ninevites? Except that it won’t even take fire and brimstone falling down from heaven to destroy us. All will take is more family breakdown, more drug addiction (and there are far more addicts of legal drugs than illegal ones), more addicts to sex, gambling, alchohol, sports, and pornography, more street crime, more domestic violence, more cultural confusion and disorder, etc. and this nation will collapse in less than twenty years. Christians, believe in spiritual warfare. Believe in standing for the truth of God’s Word. Believe in spreading the gospel and not compromising it. You can make a difference and help stop this nation from collapsing. And even if this nation does not heed the Word of God and turn again to Him, by your obeying God’s Word He will stretch forth His Mighty Hand and protect you so that you will not collapse with it.

It did not mention whether Matthew Winkler went after his children. It would not surprise me if he did. When you have evil spirits inside you, you cannot control yourself! (Oh yes, where are all the “Christians cannot have demons in them” people in response to this Matthew Winkler and this Virginia Tech shooter case, huh? Two people raised as Christians right there.)  We have to get away from these false doctrines, this “Purpose Filled” prosperity/Word of Faith man centered feel good false Christianity, and get back to telling people that they need to obey and serve God. We need teach our kids not “values”, “morals”, “abstinence education”, or whatever, but to fear God so that they will not go after sin and find themselves filled with demons that cause them to go after witchcraft, pornography, drugs, rape, homosexuality, promiscuity, etc. A lot of you good Christian women AND MEN need to stop being so materialistic and career oriented, chasing some “American dream” that is quickly becoming a nightmare, and spend more time with your kids so that you can talk with them, play with them, and teach them about the Bible, and not just these little stories that supposedly teach values, but actual truth about the spiritual nature and power of God! We need to teach these kids that God loves them even if Mommy and Daddy don’t, and they can talk to God in prayer when they can’t talk to anybody else. That is the only way to rescue your kids from this downward death spiral that this nation seems headed for. Are you willing to do what it takes? Or are you going to keep on being lukewarm?

I remember the ending of Frank Peretti’s “The Visitation” where this guy’s demons – which had worked through him to commit unspeakable crimes – were laughing at him as he lay dying on the floor bleeding to death from a gunshot wound to the stomach. I am certain that Henry Winkler’s demons that he allowed into himself through pornography were doing the same as he lay dying on the floor with a shotgun blast to the chest. Now, in “The Visitation”, the antagonist had ample time to repent and ask God to forgive his sins, and had he done so, he would have been forgiven, but he chose not to because of the hatred and rebellion against God (and his inability to forgive his evil false preacher father) in his own heart that caused him to allow the evil spirits to enter into him in the first place. Now, shotgun blasts probably kill you much quicker than would bleeding the death from a stomach wound. So we do not know whether Matthew Winkler even had the chance to repent (no, I am not a member of the “once saved always saved” camp), let alone the mindset to. Be warned: if you are a Christian that keeps messing around with pornography, racism, false doctrines and religions, and other sins long enough, your mind will get so shredded that even on your deathbed you will not have the mindset to repent and ask God to save you from an eternity in the lake of fire. So if you are still stuck in your sins, get out today! There are a great many outstanding ministries out there that can help people just like you!

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11 Responses to “Mary Winkler: Victim Of Pornography Demons”

  1. Mike Shank said

    You are talking in great exaggeration. Just because the man had a healthy appetite for ses in a prudish society and everyone paints a negative picture.

  2. Mike: You think that our society is PRUDISH? Compared to which other societies and when? Or is it merely more prudish than you would like it to be? Well, what inhibitions do you want this prudish society to renounce, Mike? That which prevents adults from sexually exploiting small children? Or bestiality perhaps? And why do you wish for our prudish society to be freed from those inhibitions? So that you yourself can benefit, Mike? Or perhaps you are already uninhibited in this fashion, and merely wish for mores and applicable laws to be changed so that you no longer have to hide it for fear of recrimination and legal consequences? Come on Mike. Lay your cards on the table and let us see what you are holding.

  3. Sandra said

    Those are powerful words… and I say AMEN! Thank God for someone who doesn’t whitewash it! Lord, send us more Christians who are not afraid to stand up and speak the truth! Bless you.

  4. GM said

    You are assuming that everything Mary Winkler said is true, just as that ignorant, ridiculous jury did!

    When the only witness to the evil behavior of the victim is the person who killed him, AND she is using that alleged evil behavior to JUSTIFY HIS MURDER, I tend to discount that what she is saying is true.

    If anyone here has demons, it is Mary Winkler. And now she gets to visit the children she chose to orphan! No wonder our society is sick!

  5. GM: I am not absolving Mary Winkler of her crime, or the judicial system of its abdication of justice and responsibility. From the transcripts of the trial, though, it was clear that the murder victim was into pornography, and strange sexuality as a result.

  6. Mike (Johnson) said

    Healtheland, with all due respect, demon possession is another misguided interpretation of the bible that does nothing but stir controversy and create pointless spiritual hysteria.

    None of us is perfect. We are each unique but we are all created with one weakness, some of us have two or more. The devil preys on that weakness by temptation (ie deception). Deception will destroy you. Deception is like driving to a destination but being fooled to make a left when you were supposed to go right. You may never get to your destination and if you do, it will be hours later.

    However as a born again Christian you are capable of fighting that temptation. We saw how Jesus Christ handled it when he faced the devil. That is why the bible (new testament) says that he will not allow you to be tempted greater that what you can bear.

    Matthew Winkler from what was presented had a weakness for pornography (the actual truth may never be known). He was probably deceived by the devil to believe that as long as he kept it between himself and his wife, it was OK. This deception, ultimately caused him his death because he failed to realize the stress it was causing his marriage. It is that simple.

    Now it is OK to call that weakness a DEMON if you prefer. This was the language and expression that was used during biblical times. However the idea of any spirit inhabiting your body and having the ability to jump into another body is untrue.

  7. John Kaniecki said

    Mike,

    Do you forget the scripture when Christ went to cast out the demon? This demon was many and called Legion. Also the demons spoke to Christ saying “I know who you are, you are the holy one of God.” So it is clear that the Bible teaches that demons are real.

    Do you believe in angels? The Bible also speaks about that a lot. Most people will accept their existance, perhaps because it is more pleasant to think of. There is a spiritual world full of things we cannot see. Our battle is against “spiritual wickedness in high places”. Ephesian 6:12.

    One reason why psychology fails is that it doesn’t not recognize the spiritual aspect. I am not dismissing psychological truths. There is something to psychology. Yet psychology is not an exact science like engineering or math. An engineer or a mathametician can prove physically that he is correct. For example if you multiply six by four and say it equals twenty four you can create a rectangle with the sides six feet by four feet. Yet when psychiatrists says there is something something called the Oedipus complex (forgive the spelling) and that men want to murder their fathers and have sex with their mothers you can’t prove this. I am not saying that this is true or not true, that is another discussion. The thing is that it is something you cannot prove to exist.

    I bring this point up not to criticize psychology but to state to you, that you cannot disprove the existance of demons as that you can prove them to exist. In engineering if there is a dispute of the load a beam can take before it bends you can physically put weight on the beam and see when it bends. I have a book about psychology which I have never read thoroughly. It presents ten issues of controversy in the psychological world. The issues are very basic ones. For example one is whether long term therapy is helpful. There is an expert, an acknowledged expert in the field who presents his view point for the idea. There is another expert, also acknowledged who presents his point against the idea. So if you tell me that psychiatrists and psychologists say there are no demons I totally reject that notion one hundred percent.

    Mike you even mention Jesus’ talk with the devil. Is the devil then not real? What about God the father. God is a spirit and those that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and truth. I think the point is made.

    Saying all this I must now say that I feel people sometimes over emphasize demon possession. Every little thing is blame on a deomon or the devil. There are two diservices regarding belief in the devil. One is giving him too much power and the other giving him to little power. The devil is not a coequal to God battling God over the fate of souls. No the devil is subserviant to God. Read the book of Job the devil must ask God’s permission to afflict Job and God sets limits on to what he can do. Yet the devil and demons are real and they do attack people and possess them.

    I cannot say that this woman was demon possessed or whether the man was. But I cannot rule out that possibility. God gave us His Word because He loves us. These are not rules just for the sake of being rules. God’s commands tell us the best way to live life. We are not to lust after women. Of course every normal male will lust in his heart from time to time (or more often) when a very attractive woman passes by. But following that principle a Christian should definitely stay away from pornography. This case just goes to prove the truth and correctness of God. Whatever the cause this man strayed from God’s will and he reaped the dreadful consequences. This proves another point of God “you will sow what you reap.”

    Finally as far as what is prudish that is a matter of opinion. But where do we draw the line? What standards do we use? There was a time before playboy. Now there are magazines that go further beyond simply woman being nude. These magazines show men and women or women and women engaged in sexual acts. (If you want to know how I know it’s because I’ve looked at them. I am not claiming not to be perfect I am a sinner and we all fall.) The definition of “prudish” is going further towards liscense. Today it is against the law for people under the age of eighteen to be in pornographic material. Should we disallow this law and say that it’s prudish. How low should we make the age, 17, 16,15 or what? In twenty years will it be I be “prudish” to cricize a fifteen year old girl posing nude.

    I am against pornography. It is a temptation because God as a man gave me a sexual drive for women. This is healthy and good. What isn’t healthy is the lust after woman. Why? Well for one thing it brings dissatisfaction with your mate. Why can’t she be like what I see in the movie or the magazine? This is what happened in this case if the evindence stated is correct. The man lusted after something carnal. He desired that carnality. He abused his wife to satisfy his lust. His wife then killed him because of his innappropriate and cruel actions. Was it a demon? Was it a weakness? I don’t know but I do know that it was wrong.

    In this society we have freedom of speech. I believe that this right protects pornography and makes it legal. However this same right allows me to worship God as I see fit. This same right also allows my to say that I feel that pornography is wrong and evil.

    I am a Christian and I believe that the Bible is the word of God. God is love. That is perhaps the most important statement in the Bible. God gave us many teachings and much wisdom for us to live our lives by. He gave us these things because he loves us and wants the best for us. We can either accept what He says or we can deny it. The choice ultimately is up to us. Let us not pick and choose what we accept or call it misguided interpretations because we don’t like it.

    Jesus is Lord.

  8. Mike (Johnson) said

    Interesting points. I will try to address each one of them as briefly as I can

    So it is clear that the Bible teaches that demons are real When speaking about demons in reference to the bible, you must take into context the era and how language was used at that time. A clearer example is found in Matthew 17:15-20. Is there any doubt that this was simply a seizure disorder, even though we are told that Jesus removed the “demon” from the person’s body and he was healed? The take home point is that Jesus healed the boy and imparted to his disciples that they can do the same if they have faith. If you believe that science and medicine is God breathed, then it is not hard to understand that many people (not just pastors) are capable of doing the same thing.

    I bring this point up not to criticize psychology but to state to you, that you cannot disprove the existance of demons as that you can prove them to exist Following your reasoning, I might as well accept UFOs and other paranormal ideologies for the fact that I cannot prove that they do not exist. Contrary to your belief, every field including math has their puzzling aspects. The question is whether the inexplicable is logical. So I ask…
    1) If demons are real, how do you explain the demon encounter I mentioned above? Some babies are unfortunately born with seizures right from birth. Are they demon possessed too?
    2) If we are to cast demons, why are we not left with any guidelines on how to cast demons or who is capable of casting demons? All Jesus Christ said is that have faith.
    3) Where do we draw the line between having a psychiatric illness such as schizophrenia that is easily treatable with medications and being labeled demon possessed?

    This is why I will continue to state that you must understand the language and era to really understand the bible. In that era demon was a term used to explain many different things including physical illnesses. Hanging onto the term demons without explaining the context serves no real purpose but incite fear and hysteria.

    Mike you even mention Jesus’ talk with the devil. Is the devil then not real? What about God the father. God is a spirit and those that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and truth. I think the point is made.
    If you are suggesting that since God is a spirit, I should accept that demons are spirits, I will politely disagree for the reasons above. The devil is real for many, many reasons other than the conversation with Jesus.

    Saying all this I must now say that I feel people sometimes over emphasize demon possession.
    Absolutely, it has the reverse effect of making people powerless which ironically is good for the devil. Do not give the devil more power than he already has.

    I cannot say that this woman was demon possessed or whether the man was. But I cannot rule out that possibility
    If you think that these people were demon possessed, then we are in trouble. If you remember the newsweek headline a few years ago on internet pornography and pastors, some 40 percent of clergy have acknowledged visiting sexually explicit Web sites. This was according to a 2000 survey conducted by Christianity Today and Leadership magazines.

    You statements on pornography, I think I agree. Not sure what your comment on prudishness was in reference to.

    The choice ultimately is up to us. Let us not pick and choose what we accept or call it misguided interpretations because we don’t like it.
    If it were just a personal distaste of the term, I would not have bothered replying. You may not be aware of the deliverance movement in the 1960s. Then Christians were seeing demons just about everywhere and any problem was attributed to a demon. Today it is much better but you still see sick people visiting so called healers (aka Benny hill and his ilk) asking for demons to be removed from them. Some have died because they were falsely misled to believe they were free of these demons. So yes for me it is a very serious problem in Christianity today.

  9. Mike (Johnson) said

    Reposted for clarity.

    Interesting points. I will try to address each one of them as briefly as I can

    So it is clear that the Bible teaches that demons are real
    When speaking about demons in reference to the bible, you must take into context the era and how language was used at that time. A clearer example is found in Matthew 17:15-20. Is there any doubt that this was simply a seizure disorder, even though we are told that Jesus removed the “demon” from the person’s body and he was healed? The take home point is that Jesus healed the boy and imparted to his disciples that they can do the same if they have faith. If you believe that science and medicine is God breathed, then it is not hard to understand that many people (not just pastors) are capable of doing the same thing.

    I bring this point up not to criticize psychology but to state to you, that you cannot disprove the existance of demons as that you can prove them to exist
    Following your reasoning, I might as well accept UFOs and other paranormal ideologies for the fact that I cannot prove that they do not exist. Contrary to your belief, every field including math has their puzzling aspects. The question is whether the inexplicable is logical. So I ask…
    1) If demons are real, how do you explain the demon encounter I mentioned above? Some babies are unfortunately born with seizures right from birth. Are they demon possessed too?
    2) If we are to cast demons, why are we not left with any guidelines on how to cast demons or who is capable of casting demons? All Jesus Christ said is that have faith.
    3) Where do we draw the line between having a psychiatric illness such as schizophrenia that is easily treatable with medications and being labeled demon possessed?

    This is why I will continue to state that you must understand the language and era to really understand the bible. In that era demon was a term used to explain many different things including physical illnesses. Hanging onto the term demons without explaining the context serves no real purpose but incite fear and hysteria.

    Mike you even mention Jesus’ talk with the devil. Is the devil then not real? What about God the father. God is a spirit and those that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and truth. I think the point is made.
    If you are suggesting that since God is a spirit, I should accept that demons are spirits, I will politely disagree for the reasons above. The devil is real for many, many reasons other than the conversation with Jesus.

    Saying all this I must now say that I feel people sometimes over emphasize demon possession.
    Absolutely, it has the reverse effect of making people powerless which ironically is good for the devil. Do not give the devil more power than he already has.

    I cannot say that this woman was demon possessed or whether the man was. But I cannot rule out that possibility
    If you think that these people were demon possessed, then we are in trouble. If you remember the newsweek headline a few years ago on internet pornography and pastors, some 40 percent of clergy have acknowledged visiting sexually explicit Web sites. This was according to a 2000 survey conducted by Christianity Today and Leadership magazines.

    You statements on pornography, I think I agree. Not sure what your comment on prudishness was in reference to.

    The choice ultimately is up to us. Let us not pick and choose what we accept or call it misguided interpretations because we don’t like it.
    If it were just a personal distaste of the term, I would not have bothered replying. You may not be aware of the deliverance movement in the 1960s. Then Christians were seeing demons just about everywhere and any problem was attributed to a demon. Today it is much better but you still see sick people visiting so called healers (aka Benny hill and his ilk) asking for demons to be removed from them. Some have died because they were falsely misled to believe they were free of these demons. So yes for me it is a very serious problem in Christianity today.

  10. doug pumroy said

    Of course demons are real. The number one job of the devil is to make people think he and his army is not real. The first sign to follow those who believe in Mark. 16: 15-18 is “In my name they will cast out demons and they will speak in new tongues”. I used to be ‘gay’ and have had many demons cast out of me and when they are gone, whatever they were making you do, goes away. I developed normal heterosexual desires when I was set free. One of the most essential verses in the entire bible is Jude:20- “At ALL times pray in the spirit”. Of course this means in tongues!!! We do not, with our natural brain, have the knowledge to pray that effectively, and to pray in the spirit is to pray the perfect prayer at that time. Demons hate tongues!!! I was once praying in tongues and a buddy of mine was messing with a ouija board, and the board spelled out “make him stop”. The spirit realm is real, and a great website is called http://www.demonbuster.com. There are 2 lords in the universe, satan and the Lord Jesus Christ!!!!

  11. I certainly believe that demons, do oppress and possess some individuals. This evil entity is a master in deceiving people to deny its existence. Their must be a opening for evil spirits to occupy areas of a persons life. Some enter in thru generational curses or yielding to the lust of the flesh. In reference to porn, scripture commands us not to yield our instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but [to] yield[ourselves to God….(Romans 6:13) MY final point is that when we do not crucify our flesh as commanded, we might be open targets for spirits of lust to enter us control our sexual desires. We must rely on the gift of discernment to know if a individual has been overtaken by spirits of lust. I believe disobedience and willfully yielding to sin is a open door for strong demonic influences .

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