Any Fans Of Juanita Bynum And Bishop Thomas Weeks Out There?
Posted by Job on April 17, 2007
When They Pierced His Side: The Blood And Water Of Jesus Christ
Let me know if you still are after watching this!
And to those who would defend false preachers:
Also, I must ask: have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior? If not, follow this link: The Three Step Salvation Plan
Update: Please check out Juanita Bynum, Bishop Thomas Weeks, TD Jakes, Noel Jones, Tommy Tenney: Their True Demonic Roots and Juanita Bynum, Bishop Thomas Weeks, TD Jakes, Noel Jones, Tommy Tenney, Mark Hanby Demonic Roots II on the demonic roots of their denominations (and no, I do not have the denominationalism demon in me). Also, Why Do Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, And Oneness Pentecostals Agree? explains who Oneness Pentecostals are walking in agreement with. Further: TBN Says The Oneness Pentecostal Jesus Only Cult Was Founded In 1913
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An Expose Of Just How Bad Juanita Bynum And Thomas Weeks Are
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Update: thanks to Independent Conservative for letting me know even more information about these two: they are anti – Trinitarian Jesus Only Oneness Pentecostal heretics, and part of TBN’s huge lineup of secret anti – Christians! See this link and this one too for more details on those two, including “Bishop” Weeks’ demonination, er denomination! See, Weeks and Bynum are excellent at using spiritual intimidation and deception to raise funds from their primarily black (or African – American) audiences. This is more proof that TBN went after Oneness Pentecostals like Bynum, Weeks, Noel Jones, TD Jakes, etc. so they could expand their reach from being a lily – white suburban operation in order to extract more contributions from the black community. (Not that TBN has discriminated against white Oneness heretics; quite the contrary it made a movie out of Tommy Tenney’s TOTALLY ASCRIPTURAL Hadassah: One Night With The King. The only color that TBN cares about is green.) It happened right about the time that all of these media articles proclaiming “the rising buying power of the black community” came out. While you are on Ephesians511’s site, make sure you check out “Bishop” Eddie Long, who purports to be a “Full Gospel Baptist” preacher, but is known to call the anti – Trinitarian heretic TD Jakes his “spiritual father.” If you deny Trinity, HOW FULL CAN YOUR GOSPEL BE? WHO DID JESUS CHRIST PRAY TO AND ASK “WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME” WHEN HE WAS DYING ON THE CROSS? Now, I have gotten a lot of heat for attacking hip – hop/gospel artist Tonex, but HE calls Eddie Long HIS spiritual father, and also is a BIG SUPPORTER of Juanita Bynum. In his post proclaiming to the world his retirement, he talked about how he was in a HUGE spiritual funk, BUT THAT HE WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO THE THRESHING FLOOR TO GET HIM OUT OF IT; TO RECHARGE HIS SPIRITUAL BATTERIES! Now, Tonex DID make a BRAVE statement in defense of Trinity on his first album. But despite what you SAY, how can two walk together unless they be agreed (Amos 3:3)? Speaking of “agreeing” with TD Jakes, Paula White’s claim that “God must be behind TD Jakes, or otherwise he wouldn’t have been able to pull off Megafest” … ever been to a ROCK CONCERT Paula? Woodstock? Lollapalooza? Lillith Fair? Don’t pretend as if you don’t listen to that stuff, because you were on TBN bragging about how you held a secular concert starring serial adulterer Bryan McKnight and several other R&B and rap artists with their “lyrics” and then had all who would “say the sinner’s prayer” at the end. Ummm … now I am no Calvinist, but SALVATION MEANS KNOWLEDGE AND REPENTANCE OF SIN, Pastor White! Oh, but no one cares about holding female preachers like White accountable on things like doctrine and whatever, not when they are blonde, thin, and can cry on cue like Bill Clinton (who lest we forget visited PLENTY of churches when honing his political skills). Stuff like this shows the powerful spirits that these Oneness Pentecostal folks are dealing with. And that is why TBN went after them: because he knows that they use those spirits to get people to open their wallets and to be unquestioningly loyal. What? A Bible – believing Christian like me said that Christians should question their leaders! OF COURSE! Questioning your leader is not being disrespectful or subversive! I mean, didn’t David continually ask Saul WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO KILL ME? The Bible doesn’t say “Check your brain at the door.” It says “Come let us reason together.” It says “Study to show thyself approved.” But if you are in a controlling intimidating spiritual atmosphere, judging your leaders against the Bible is strictly forbidden lest their lies be exposed, the deceived sheep leave, and the money stop flowing in. That is why we MUST pray for these people who are in these Oneness Pentecostal denominations, and those who refuse to separate themselves from them.
Father God in the Name of Jesus Christ, please raise up your mighty hand against all those who are perverting the gospel for gain and with false doctrines. May those who do so out of ignorance, please show them the error of their ways, and those who deceive on purpose please pull Your people away from them. We know, Father, that Your Will must be done, that all things must be fulfilled, and people have to decide which they love foremost, You or themselves. I am merely asking, Father, that the eyes of the deceived be opened and that they choose to seek after and fight for Your righteousness. Amen.
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IndependentConservative said
In the videos posted by ephesians511, that person puts information in the description that exposes much of their mess.
Those 2 are just disgusting.
Independent Conservative said
The 2 Most Disgusting and Lust Filled People in the False Gospel Prosperity Movement.
So-called prophetess Juanita Bynum and so-called bishop Thomas Weeks. All I can say is that they are disgusting, period.
Check out the videos that Heal The Land With Spiritual Warfare linked to (if you can stand it, not for children) and pay particu…
healtheland said
Oh yeah. I didn’t even have to add anything because Ephesians511; his work couldn’t be improved upon. Ephesians511 is more radical in his beliefs than I am, but hey, can’t fault him for that!
ManofValor said
Are these people for real!!!! I could not stomach it no longer…..I know this might sound crazy but watching the video clips it was like listening to Satan at a concert….The things they were saying was like pure mess!!!!! I will continue to lift them up in prayer.
minda12 said
Be cautious what you say about the women and men of God.
You people believe anything.
I’m 15 and Juanita Bynum has made me press into God more than i ever have before.
I’m sorry but i dont believe any of you.
minda12 said
And that ephesians511 person.
I’m sure you are a nice person but you need to stop pointing fingers and start focusing on what matters.
Winning Souls for Jesus.
So whatever you have against Juanita bynum, td jakes or medina pullings,
get over it and stop interfering with their ministry.
I know what your probably thinking” i am here to stop the wolves in sheeps clothing blah blah blah”
but you should really examine your sources of your information and most of all your heart.
What is pure and lovely, these are the things you should be thinking about.
healtheland said
Minda12:
Do you believe in Trinity? Juanita Bynum and TD Jakes do not. This despite the Bible being clear about Trinity all throughout, including the fact that in the original Hebrew, the first name used for God in the Bible, in Genesis 1:1, is Elohim, which is PLURAL. But TD Jakes, Juanita Bynum, and all of these other Oneness Pentecostals don’t even let people know about their false doctrines. As a matter of fact, on Jakes’ own website, he claims to believe in Trinity but uses that same “Oneness Pentecostal” language. If you press him on it, he will claim that “my understanding of the Godhead is evolving, and people really shouldn’t get hung up about it.” What “understanding” is there to evolve? If there is no Trinity, then who was Jesus Christ praying to when He was calling out to His Father when He was dying on the cross? Of whom was He speaking when He said that the Father sent Him, He was doing the Father’s Will and not His Own, speaking of the Father and not of Himself, and that He was going to return to His Father in Heaven?
Look, this whose heretical apostasy started about 75 years ago when during this charismatic conference, this pastor started rolling on the floor and speaking in tongues (and there was no interpreter, by the way). He got up and said that while he was “in the spirit” (which spirit?) God told him that the doctrine of the Trinity was wrong. Now, he had a big church at the time, so his congregation decided to follow him instead of the Bible. And people have been following him and this doctrine ever since.
Except that his doctrine isn’t new. It is called modalism, a heresy that plagued the early church. See, the Oneness Pentecostals claim that the early church was unitarian (like the Jews, by the way) and that the Romans invented trinity because of their paganism. So what are they saying, the Romans wrote or altered the gospels, the epistles, and Revelation, including the part where Paul said that Jesus Christ was the rock that followed the children of Israel in the desert that Moses struck? If that is true, then our whole faith is a sham, Christianity is a lie, and we need to go become Jews. Besides, their claims that the Romans invented Trinity at Nicea is historically false anyway. I can provide you with any number of links that would demonstrate the historical and scriptural foundation of Trinity.
So, what is the big deal that Bynum, Weeks, Jakes, Noel Jones, and a bunch of these other fellows deny Trinity? One, it is false doctrine, and people should not be preaching or following after false doctrine. Two, without Trinity Christianity makes no sense. Without understanding the true nature of God, you have no concept of faith and no concept of grace. That is why it was these Oneness Pentecostals who came out with this “holiness or hell” extreme legalism and methods of religious and spiritual control that Bynum in particular is known for. They were the ones who specifically denied what Paul told the church in Corinthians by claiming that all Christians had to speak in tongues “if they were REALLY saved.” Why? Because since they reject the true nature of God, they reject faith, and like the Jews who put their trust in circumcision and the law, they think that righteousness needs to be proven with outward signs. Where Paul said to have no confidence in the flesh, because they reject the true nature of God and thereby God’s spirit, flesh is ALL that they have confidence in.
Now God is a merciful, loving, and forgiving God who seeks to draw all to Him. So if you ever received anything by following their ministries, it was by virtue of His Mercy and Grace and through your own faith in Him and love for Him. But God is not mocked! At some point, everyone, even 15 year olds, have to become aware of the Truth and start growing in faith. Where is your faith, Minda12? In God and the Bible, or in preachers that you see on TV? Because it wasn’t me who brought you to this weblog entry, but rather God who sent you here. It is your decision whether you are going to believe that God sent you to this weblog entry for the purpose of defending mighty men and women of God from their persecutors, or to warn you regarding their false doctrine.
Lori Ann said
Prophetess Juanita Bynum is the person who inspired me to rededicate my life to the Lord and to learn more about the gospel of Jesus Christ. For the first time in my life, I actually picked up a Bible and read it from cover to cover. Never once have I heard Dr. Bynum or T. D. Jakes deny the trinity or present unsound doctrine in any way, shape or form and I am quite familiar with the teachings of both.
Frankly I find petty disagreements about the trinity, rapture, etc, to be counterproductive and unbiblical. It is an effective weapon that Satan exploits in order to create division in the body of Christ. Our mortal minds are not equipped to understand the multi-faceted diminsions of God to even speak intelligently on the subject much less judge others for their individual beliefs.
healtheland said
Lori Ann:
It is great that Juanita Bynum inspired you to read the Bible cover to cover. But it is distressing that you did so without spotting the false doctrine that Bynum, Jakes, and similar regularly traffic in. And for you to claim to be familiar with the teachings of Jakes while claiming that you have never heard him deny Trinity, then cannot be serious, because if you look at the doctrinal statement on his own website, it is classic modalism. Jakes tries to pass off Oneness Pentecostalism, that Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, and Father YHVH are merely God appearing in different forms at different times (consider Mystique of the X – Men movies) rather than being different persons. It requires no faith to view God as “Mystique”, something that man can not only relate to, but actually sees occuring in the natural realm when a reptile or insect changes its appearance to match its surroundings. But “three times one” Godhead nature requires you to accept something that you have not seen and will never see. It is also important for scripture not to be a liar. Jesus Christ said that no one has seen the Father but Him in the gospel of John. The Bible also says that no one can see the Father’s face and live. But if Jesus Christ is merely a “manifestation” of the Father as Jakes claims on his own website, then if you have seen the Son and His Face – as all did while Christ walked the earth and hundreds did after His Resurrection – then you have seen the Father, and scripture is a lie. Further, in the gospel of John, Jesus Christ said that He had to go away for the Holy Spirit to come. According to the claims of Jakes, Jesus Christ lied … He never went away but only changed His manifestation. And what about when Jesus Christ said that He spoke the Word of His Father and not His Own, and did the Will of His Father and not His Own? To buy what Jakes says on his own website (http://www.thepottershouse.org/PH_beliefs.html) would mean that God is merely a man suffering from schizophrenia or multiple personality disorders who talks to himself.
“Frankly I find petty disagreements about the trinity … to be counterproductive and unbiblical.” All right, you just said that TD Jakes doesn’t deny Trinity, and now you say that it is wrong to argue about it. Which is it? Incidentally, your stance is the one that is abiblical, because the Bible is FULL of people discussing and debating doctrinal points. How could you have read the Bible and missed that? A great deal of the epistles was dedicated to agreeing on doctrinal points, giving true doctrine by explaining the teachings of Jesus Christ that were not given or only hinted at in the gospels and filling out things that were, and opposing false doctrines, especially gnosticism and other heresies. And have you not studied church history at all? The first three hundred years was spent determining which books of the Bible were fake and which were real, and even among those that were real did not rise to the level of scripture (Hebrews, Jude, and Ezekiel are prominent among those that were almost left out). The result was a book that was inspired, inerrant, and the final authority in all matters without any contradictions, and all other doctrines and teachings are to be measured against it. The people who claim that “we really shouldn’t be disputing over doctrines, it is a trick of Satan” are almost always resorting to that tactic to defend doctrines and teachings and preachers who have deviated from scriptural truth. The people who have erred from the truth and have no interest in trying to attain truth are the first ones to claim “we are not qualified to judge or understand.” It is funny that there are fornicators, homosexuals, people who mix other religions with Christianity (including Jakes who is now going around promoting yoga), and oppressors of the poor who are using the same “we are not qualified to judge or understand” arguments that you are trying to pass now. Why should we have respect to their arguments and not yours? Because Jakes is a preacher? Like the Bible did not warn us of false teachers and preachers who will deceive many, especially in the last days. The anti – Christ himself will be demanding that people not judge him.
Finally, let me be the one to tell you: the Trinity is not actually a doctrine. The Trinity is GOD. The Bible is all about GOD. Christianity is all about GOD. And that is the problem with religion. It replaces God with man. So, instead of reading the Bible looking for God, you are reading the Bible looking to justify and support what some man said, trying to see if what he told you or is having you to do is scriptural. Keep doing that and you will never see the forest for the trees. Now I go after to old fashioned Christians who swear by Calvin, Luther, Augustine, Wesley, Spurgeon, Edwards, Mather, and people like that, but in a great many ways those Christians are better than this generation. Why? Because those people were heavy into scripture, and their writings were extremely intensive. In order to follow after those guys, you had to be a serious student and willing to get into heavy topics. But these days, all you have to do is be willing to turn on the television and watch someone for 30 minutes or an hour, go to their service (IF you live in their area) which may last 2 hours and include 30 – 45 minutes of actual “preaching” (most of which is just theatrics, call – and – response, and other tactics), go to some 3 day conference, and buy their mass market books that are written on the fourth grade level that contain very little actual information. You will learn more about God from reading the hymnals, children’s books, and literary allegories like Pilgrim’s Progress from 100 or more years ago than you will from a lifetime of watching these people on TV and sitting in their church. That explains why the vast majority of TD Jakes’ own members and an even bigger percentage of his followers don’t even know that TD Jakes is a Oneness Pentecostal, because these big time preachers today never talk about the heavy stuff that really challenges the mind and spirit. They never get past the milk stage and into the meat. It is all superficial. Even their talking about the gifts of the spirit; tongues, healings, and that type of thing … well you are aware that the people who brought the charismatic wave in that TD Jakes and Juanita Bynum are now making merchandise off were RADICAL METHODISTS. Azusa Street came after YEARS OF INTENSIVE BIBLE STUDY (and I do not mean four or five years either). William Seymour and the people that he studied with (Seymour attended Bible college TWICE) spent YEARS digging into the Bible and into the great Christian writings in order to bring forth the move of the Holy Spirit. Moneychanging frauds like Bynum and Jakes would have been exposed in five minutes, because that is how long it would have taken Seymour and similar to find out that both of them were totally thoroughly deceived concerning the nature of God and that their hearts were so hardened that they were unwilling to accept truth.
You do realize that after Trinity being THE foundational principle of Christianity for 1900 years, these Oneness Pentecostals like Jakes and Bynums sprang up in typical cult fashion because some fellow had a special revelation. They first tried to convert the other Pentecostals into their apostatic heresy, and then when the other Pentecostals refused, they tried to get them to “fellowship with them” … you know, “have unity.” Well, the other Pentecostals QUICKLY kicked the unitarians out and adopted one of the strongest Trinity statements in Christianity. These Oneness Pentecostals were pretty much ignored on the sidelines until Paul Crouch began putting them on TBN because he saw how much money he could raise from them. There really is no reason to continue to follow after these people except wanting to remain spiritually weak and blind. Look, Trinity is not that hard. It is not so incomprehensible. The “three persons” thing is given all over the New Testament. Take a simple example – Acts 10:38. “How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.” Translation: How THE KING sent THE PRINCE into the land with AN ADVISOR, and THE PRINCE used the ADVISOR to do good, including freeing all from the enemy, and THE PRINCE was able to do these things because THE PRINCE had the full support, backing, permissions, power, and authority given to THE PRINCE by THE KING. How can you read that and think that it is talking about anything else but THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE, Ms. “I have read the Bible cover to cover”? The only thing that is hard about Trinity is reconciling that THE KING, THE PRINCE, and THE ADVISOR, three clearly distinct people with different jobs and personalities, are one. Now Jakes and company would have you believe that it is possible for a king to be a prince and a court advisor at the same time. That is what “manifestation” means. They have this explanation of how a man can be a father to his child, a son to his child’s grandfather, and a husband to his wife all at the same time: that the Trinity is merely an explanation of how the same person relates to different people. So, when you talk to your earthly father, you call him “Dad” because you are speaking to the “father manifestation” that he is to you. When your grandfather talks to your father, he is speaking to the “son manifestation” that exists to him. When your mother talks to your father, she calls him “Hubby” because she is speaking to the “husband manifestation” that exists to her. Again, how can Jesus Christ be Father to Himself? How was Jesus Christ begotten of Himself? And how could Jesus Christ go away and return as Himself as the Holy Spirit while simultaneously being in Heaven AND sitting on His own right hand? It is utter madness that only makes sense to a mind that is thoroughly demonically trapped because it WANTS to be trapped or has been given over to reprobation.
The three persons of the Godhead are clearly explained in scripture, and the only mystery is how three persons can be one, and therein lies faith. If your Christianity is anything other than studying the scriptures so that you can better know God, then what are you doing? I will tell you: you are wasting your time. You may still get to Heaven because of God’s mercy and grace, but your entire life will be that of wasted potential. You won’t even be like the thief died on the cross beside Jesus Christ that gave God the glory by giving his life to God with your last act so that thereby you can be a testimony. Instead, you will be someone who had all access to the Truth and every opportunity to serve God from it and thereby do great works of the spirit, but instead chose to follow after lies and thereby be content with the works of the flesh that “Prophetess” Bynum “challenges” you to do. Yeah, they are “challenging” all right … they take up all your time and physically/mentally/emotionally exhaust and batter you so that you will be too occupied and tired to find the truth. It is how the enemy closes your eyes so that you cannot see, stops your ears so that you cannot hear, and confuses your mind so that you cannot comprehend. I know, because I grew up in a similar denomination (Jakes, Weeks, and similar claim to be nondenominational, but investigating their background, including where they got their “Bishop” titles from, reveals the truth) which was actually a DEMON – INATION . You want to talk about challenge? That “church” had my family working constantly until it cracked from the pressure and split up (along with a lot of other families). All those works, and that church never did get around to explaining things like forgiveness, justification by faith, or God’s love and grace. Hey, if being challenged with works is what you are after, why not go become a Mormon, a Muslim, or a Jew, or join one of those “Christian” lodges and agencies? 1) They don’t believe in Trinity and also deny the true nature of God and 2) if you think that Bynum challenges you, wait until they get ahold of you, they will have you going from dusk till dawn and till dusk again. Hey, if that is what you want, God gave you free will to pursue it. But if you want to actually learn about and follow God, I honestly suggest that you turn TBN and The Word Network off, get their “books”, tapes, CDs, DVDs, etc. out of your house, and lock yourself away with your Bible. Except this time, get yourself a pen and notebook, and while you are reading, make a note of all the lies that the various TV preachers and other representatives of the religious system have been filling your head with. You won’t even get out of Genesis (which is a pretty long book after all) without filling that notepad up.
IndependentConservative said
Either our faith has a foundation or it has none and is nothing but what someone makes it to be.
According to the book of Hebrews (detailed at the end of Hebrews 5), we have a foundation that is required before someone should be a “teacher”.
Jakes does not agree on a core foundation of our faith, which makes him and others like him false teachers by default.
Also as is described there in Hebrews 5, which spiritual maturity comes discernment, to better identify those who are false.
I listened to false teacher Eddie Long for 7 years, sure at times he might have a true point, but overall he, Jakes, Bynum and Weeks lead to a false doctrine. Which is why ALL OF THEM perform on the network of false doctrine, which is TBN.
MICHELLE EDENNA said
I AM A SPIRITUAL DAUGHTER OF BISHOP THOMAS WEEKS III AND PROPHETESS JUANITA BYNUM WEEKS AND I PRAISE GOD FOR BOTH OF MY SPIRITUAL PARENTS!! THEY PREACH AND TEACH THE PURE AND UNADULTERATED GOSPEL ACCORDING TO THE HOLY BIBLE! I HAVE GROWN IN LEAPS AND BOUNDS SINCE SITTING UNDER THEIR TEACHINGS! NO WEAPON (SPIRITUAL, PHYSICAL OR VERBAL) FORMED AGAINST THEM WILL EVER BE ABLE TO PROSPER!!
Crystal/ Ohio said
While I feel that it is important to know, understand, defend, and protect the foundations of our faith, I think there is a fundamental principle that is being overlooked here.
1. We are to speak the truth in LOVE… Regardless of how one might feel about what these ministers teach, they are still human beings deserving of the respect the scriptures say we are to give. The debate about the oneness issue has been ongoing for centuries. Doctrinal discussions can be carried out without calling other people “disgusting.” While God may not approve of the doctrinal teachings of many believers, he certainly would not condone or participate in the slander of one of his children.
2. We are to LOVE our friends (those we like) and our enemies (those we don’t particularly care for). The scriptures say that love is patient, kind, not proud, not rude, not demanding of its own way, not irritable, and keeps no record of being wronged (New Living Translation). This would suggest to me that we might want to reconsider the tone and spirit in which the ministers are being discussed. Let’s take a deep breath to see if we are exemplifying the love of Christ toward those we do not agree with. Do you love them enough to fast and pray for them, or do you love bashing them too much to consider going before the Father with a clean heart to voice your concerns? Remember, knowledge is the possession of information, but wisdom is about what we do with what we know.
3. In Mark 9:38-42 the disciples, like many of us, were concerned with a lot of the right things. They wanted the Glory of God on Earth and regarded those who used the name of Jesus outside their scope of approval as a threatening force requiring immediate interruption. Jesus said NOT to stop them because the efforts of that outside group would only HELP the kingdom, and that any detriment their actions caused would be handled with the vengence of God. We are not to use our time, resources, materials, annointings, or information to slander or libel another child of God. If we happen to see signs that one of our brothers or sisters has slidden off the beaten path, we are to PRAY for them. If you feel the need to expose something about them and have the total approval of God to do so, then do it in love. If we repay hurt with hurt, who are we more like? God, or The Accuser of the Bretheren?
That’s all. Hope I made sense. God bless.
Michelle Lee said
I totally agree with everything that the person named Crystal from Ohio has stated. We cannot slander those whom we feel may be in err. We have to pray and the Bible also says that if we do not agree than we should take our ought to our brother. The ones that you should be directing comments to should be the ones that you are claiming to be false leaders.
The enemy is happy to know that you would take the time to slander as oppose to lifting them up before the Lord or doing it in a spirit of love.
My prayer is with everyone that is in err and even those who feel that they have arrived and they do not have any areas that they may need to take to the Lord.
God bless you!
healtheland said
Michelle Lee:
My purpose in discussing Juanita Bynum and similar in such a manner is not for my own entertainment, but warning people not to follow false teachers that are trafficking in incorrect doctrine. It isn’t just Juanita Bynum who is the issue here, but rather the people who follow her. What if Bynum never changes? What will I have done to help those who follow her? A lot of people who follow her do not even know what she and Bishop Weeks truly believe on Trinity or other matters, because they just see them on TV, and on TV it is easy to get people to follow you without really getting into your interpretation of the Bible, because it is so easy to do everything BUT impart a deep understanding of the Word, ESPECIALLY if you are a charismatic and can fill up 25 minutes of your 30 minute show with screaming, jumping up and down, tongues, prophesying, miracles, testifying, signifying, and forceful “YOU HAD BETTER DO WHAT I SAY BECAUSE I HAVE A POWERFUL ANOINTING OVER ME” type of “preaching”, which really isn’t true “preaching” (which is about exhorting and teaching) but really things to get inside your head and emotions. Now I honestly do want God to bless and keep you too, but happening in your life depends on you. You really do have to study and meditate on the Word of God, and see if a lot of these famous preachers are really helping you understand and implement it in your life better.
Michelle Lee said
Hello Healtheland,
I can appreciate your concern for those whom may be lead astray as you may say, but it is not right at anytime to slander with words that are derogatory to get your point across. It is just as bad as you being a christian using bad words to communicate. I am no saying that you are wrong about voicing your opinion and warning people about any falsehood. There is a way to do everything. You can be angry and sin not! As I stated if you are concerned about everyone than you should also be concerned about the souls of the leaders you are claiming to be false prophets. Love is the only way that you are going to be able to really get any point across even after you have voiced your facts.
I hope I am making any since to you? You and I are not perfect and we make mistakes as well! Just as you are doing what you are doing to them someone else is very well going to do the same to you.
My prayers are for you and the leaders that you have mentioned as well.
God bless you!
Erie1 said
1 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
NIV
Bobcat said
To all of you who believe the godhead is a trinity why does the word “trinity” NOT appearANYWHERE in the text of the bible – I don’t mean footnotes. Now it does say in Deuteronomy 6:4 “Yahweh our Elohim is Yahweh a UNITY.” I’d rather accept Moses’ account as a man that had a divine vision and revelation than someone else’s concept, theory or opinion! The entire creation (see Romans 1:19-20) bears witness to the supernal nature of the heavenly father being a UNITY or 3 yet 1 – (Time: Past, Present and Future; Creation: Land, Water and Air; Man – Head, Chest and Abdomen; Human Growth: childhood, adolesence and adulthood; Cell – nucleus, nucleolis and cell body; Atom – proton, neutron and electron; etc. etc. etc.) – we even abide in a Universe and not a Triverse. I John 5:7-8: There are 3 that bear record and heaven and these three are ONE and there are 3 that bear WITNESS (to what’s in heaven) in earth and these 3 agree in 1!! – not 3. The creator is one eternal spirit as the father he is in a pure spirit state which everything abides within he also has two manifestations: a spiritual embodiment as revealed in visions to the patriachs and prophets and physical form when he came into the world as the savior. I Tim 3:16 says “God was manifest in the flesh.” Trinity is an erroneous description of the Godhead contrived by Roman Catholicism.
healtheland said
Bobcat:
Right. So explain why Elohim, the first word used for God in the Bible, is PLURAL. Explain why Genesis 1:26 says “Let US make man in OUR image.” And when Jesus Christ spoke of His Father in HEAVEN, OF WHOM WAS HE SPEAKING? And when Jesus Christ was on EARTH, THE FATHER IN HEAVEN SPOKE! AT LEAST TWICE! ONCE WHEN JESUS CHRIST WAS BAPTIZED, AND ANOTHER TIME WHEN JESUS CHRIST SAID “FATHER GLORIFY MY NAME” AND THE FATHER SAID “I HAVE GLORIFIED IT!” NONE OF YOU ONENESS PENTECOSTALS CAN EXPLAIN TO ME WHY ELOHIM IS PLURAL, OR HOW IT IS POSSIBLE FOR THE SON AND THE FATHER TO BE IN TWO PLACES AT ONCE! TELL ME THIS … IS JESUS CHRIST SITTING ON HIS OWN RIGHT HAND?
healtheland said
Bobcat:
By the way, the word “baptism” or the word “baptized” does not appear ANYWHERE in the original text of the Bible either. It is a transliterated, or made up, word created by the translators of the King James Version Bible in 1611. Incidentally, the word “rapture” does not appear ANYWHERE in the CURRENT text of ANY Bible. The word that evolved into “rapture” was also a transliteration (a made – up word) by Jerome, the person who translated the Bible from Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic into Latin. So, are you going to start saying that there will be no rapture because the word isn’t mentioned in the Bible like LOTS of people do? Stop repeating the prattle that you pick up in church and educate yourself; study to show thyself approved. LOTS of the religious terms that we use appear nowhere in the original or common text of the Bible. An even bigger problem is that we assign the wrong meaning to a lot of terms that ARE in the Bible. Apostle? Disciple? Redeem? Holiness? Sanctified? The way those and a bunch of other terms are commonly used today are very much different from how most Christians, especially the charismatic ones, use them. There is so much deception and confusion in the church these days because few churches actually teach and study the Bible in a rigorous fashion. It is all about feelings, emotionalism, experience. That is not the God of the Bible. God said “come and let us reason together.” Another term that is used in the Bible whose meaning is completely different today? HEART. The modern definition of HEART is your EMOTIONS, your FEELINGS. But in the time the Bible was written, HEART means THE CENTER OF YOUR RATIONAL THINKING AND REASONING. And it isn’t just your mind, your common, haphazard, reckless, or vain thinking. IT MEANS YOUR HIGHER ANALYTICAL THINKING. IT MEANS STUDYING AND MEDITATING ON SOMETHING, AND USING LOGIC AND EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR THINKING. Very little of that goes on in our churches today, and that is why nonsense like “Trinity is mentioned nowhere in the Bible, it was invented by the Roman pagans” is able to be swallowed by so many people. That is why people are able to just follow this “baptize in Jesus name only” nonsense when Jesus Christ Himself said “baptize in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit” in Matthew 28. This whole “Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are just relationships” nonsense … that works if the Father to you, the Son to your grandfather and the uncle or brother in law to whoever are all in the same place at the same time, but it kinda falls apart when one is on earth getting baptized, the other is speaking from Heaven, and the other descends on Him like a dove. And we are not even going to talk about how the first Name used for this “description of relationship” is plural, not singular. But be comforted; you are not alone in this madness. The Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Jews, etc. all agree with you and use the same arguments: see this link here (http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2007/05/13/why-do-mormons-jehovahs-witnesses-and-oneness-pentecostals-agree/)
Funny how it hasn’t gotten any comments yet. Maybe you will be the first to explain how Trinitarian Christians alone are wrong while you Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Jews (all of whom use the same arguments and conspiracy theories) are right. Or are you going to say that the Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses and Jews are right about the nature of God even if they are wrong about everything else? How is that possible since they all reject the deity and pre – existence of Christ? I earnestly await your explanation for that Bobcat. I hope that your answer “comes from your heart.”
Robert Matthews said
I have to say that you as an individual is responsible for your self. I think that if you fall victim to any false teachings and follow them then you are responsible for this. Now I am not saying that Jakes or Bynum are right or wrong but what I am saying is that you are responsible for you and they are responsible for themselves. When you stand in front my father Jesus you will have to answer for what yourself and JAkes, or Bynum, or this website will not be responsible. Pray for the wrongs so Jesus can make it right and read for yourself so when somwthing that is wrong comes your way you will be able to see it. This website is not promoting Christ but instead promoting confusion and strife. Please stop because if you think that you will be rewarded for this you may not in the end.
healtheland said
Robert Matthews: You are 100% incontrovertibly wrong. By saying “you as an individual are responsible for self” are demonstrating the same attitude as exhibited by the murderer Cain when he asked in Genesis 4:9 (http://bible.cc/genesis/4-9.htm) “Am I my brother’s keeper?” More to the point: the Body of Christ is just that. Are not the eyes responsible for seeing for the whole body? The ears responsible for hearing for the whole body? The feet and toes responsible for bearing the whole body up? Or the waste elimination organs responsible for removing poisons for the whole body? If the organs of your own PHYSICAL body had that attitude, you would be dead in five minutes because your lungs would only take in enough air for itself and not the whole. Please read your Bible, Robert. We are all responsible for contending against and exposing false doctrines and teachers lest people be misled by them. When I face God on judgment day, I do not want Him to ask me why I did not do anything about His people being destroyed for the lack of knowledge (http://bible.cc/hosea/4-6.htm). Do you want God to ask you the same question? If not, then you had best start studying and meditating on your Bible and joining me rather than opposing me.
Robert Matthews said
See you have done what I would think a person of false doctrine might do and that is take what little piece of a something and make it a lie. I said that “YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL IS RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN SALVATION AND WHAT YOU HEAR, SEE, AND TASTE”. You as a christian and I hope that you are will pray for these people and let people make their own judgement call. I believe that you will be held accountable for you and how you live which will in affect will have an effect on others around you and lead them to christ. The slandering of anyone who is or isnt of christ will be found out by the word and not by this site and you “so called” calling them out. LET ME SAY THIS FOR THE RECORD, I LOVE THE LORD MY SAVIOR AND FATHER JESUS CHRIST WITH ALL THAT I AM AND I HOLD NO PERSON OR THING HIGHER THAN HIM. SO IF I DO LISTEN TO TONEX, TD JAKES, OR JUANITA BYNUM IT IS WITH THE EAR THAT THE LORD HAS TRAINED ME TO HAVE AND NOT ONE OF A WEBSITE SPEWING JUDGEMENT BASED ON A COUPLE OF SCRIPTURES. SO READ THE ENTIRE BIBLE IN THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN AND NOT IN THE WAY YOU WANT IT TO BE INTENDED.
healtheland said
Robert Matthews: First off, I never said that you should not listen Tonex. If you have noticed, I have only made one post on Tonex and lots on TD Jakes, Juanita Bynum, Rick Warren, Creflo Dollar, Joel Osteen, etc. There is a reason for that. If you have noticed, I said a lot of good things about Tonex in that post, but nothing good about Jakes, Bynum, Warren, Dollar, Osteen, etc. There is a reason for that. There is a difference between someone who has problems, real problems that should concern people and they ought to be aware of (Tonex) and being an apostate preaching false doctrine and withholding the truth from people. Second, it is not me who is slandering these people. I am only reporting what they are saying and doing, and they are condemned by their own words and actions not according to my standards or beliefs but by the BIBLE. It is the BIBLE that spells out Trinity. It is the BIBLE that says to baptize in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. It is the BIBLE that says that godliness is not gain. It is the BIBLE that says that we are saved, justified, and sanctified by grace, not works, and that legalism is sin. It is the BIBLE that tells you to reason and use your mind and not rely on intimidation, pressure tactics, or emotionalism. It is the BIBLE that tells you not to worship false gods or religions or import their practices into Christianity. So your problem is not with me, it is with the BIBLE. I am not “spewing judgment”, I AM SAYING WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS. And yes, I have read the Bible. Cover to cover. Several times. I was following Jakes, Dollar, Osteen, Bynum, and some of those people BEFORE I read the Bible. Cover to cover. Several times. Also, you may hear good, profitable things from Jakes, Bynum, Osteen, Long, etc. from time to time. So what? What truth are you going to hear from someone who peddles lies for profit that you aren’t going to hear from someone whose heart is after truth? A stopped clock is right twice a day, but a running clock is right all the time! So quit trying to get truth from stopped clocks and start getting truth from someone who is at least trying to be faithful to the Bible. It isn’t as if there aren’t a bunch of good preachers out there. They are all over the TV dial, all over the radio, and all over the Internet. I cite them all the time on my website. See, what you fail to realize is that less than 25% of my posts are attacking false preachers. Over half are devotionals and teachings from ministries that attempt to stay Bible – based, and the rest is devoted to interpreting current events from a biblical perspective. Lately in particular, I have been getting away from going after false preachers (because I have pretty much made a convincing case against these people for anyone who wants to follow the truth already) and have been focusing more on the devotionals and teaching materials. Now the vast majority of the people who make comments on the weblog completely ignore the devotionals and teaching content, and instead only want to defend their false religions, false preachers, and cults. Why do you suppose that is? My brother, there is so much good stuff out there that there is NO REASON for you to follow after people that are doctrinally false or even doctrinally suspect. All you have to do is be willing to work a little bit and find out who they are. I mean come on, I have a wife and two small children, a full time job, operate several Christian websites (no, this is not my only one) and an Internet evangelism ministry, am in graduate school, and I STILL have time to find out what these guys are preaching so that I will know who to follow and who to turn aside from. So if I can do it, what is your excuse? Simple: you have none. It is only a matter of loving God more than you love yourself. Of whether you are willing to stay in your comfort zone of just taking who the mass media and these Christian broadcasting networks put in front of your face day and night, or if you are willing to do a little work, a little seeking. Come on, TD Jakes was on the cover of Time Magazine as “America’s preacher.” Yep, the same people who promote homosexuality, abortion, false religions, and everything else. You honestly think that Time Magazine didn’t know that Jakes doesn’t believe in Trinity? Please. But they put him on there anyway. Why? BECAUSE TIME MAGAZINE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT JESUS CHRIST. Do you?
healtheland said
Robert Matthews:
One final thing: follow this link (http://www.reformed.org/documents/index.html). It contains some very important documents on Christian doctrine and belief. If more Christians were studying things like these, they would not be falling for so many of these false doctrines and teachers multiplying in these last days.
Lori Ann said
Healtheland, your comments and delivery do not exemplify the type of Christian that God has called me to be. Are we reading the same Bible? If so, how did you miss the gospel of Jesus Christ?
Robert Matthews said
Ok let me start off by saying this, your argument was pretty convincing and I am more than willing to lets say you show me some stern proof about what has and hasnt been said. I am open to truth and the truth with the word and nothing else. I am a tough nut to crack because I do read my bible. I do have some questions and comments though about some of the things you mentioned in your response. You mention that time magazine put Jakes on it’s front page and so what, let me say this. You go to a secular grocery store and use a secular cell phone comany but no one says anything about these things. So who cares what magazine he goes on you probably go to secular or wordly places all day like school so that holds no weight to me. Also the and I quote “Simply: you have none” comment seemed like an insult. Shouldnt someone like yourself who by know I have gathered is well versed in the Bible and in being so has a renewed mind and therefor should know how to respond to someone with an insulting tone. Maybe thats just me but this is how I feel. Let me end this comment with this, I am open to truth and I seek the truth and not someones opinion. IF you need my email, phone number or what have you to give me this info so I can discuss it with you this would be great, because if it is your goal to enlighten than I want to be enlighten.
healtheland said
Lori Ann: What kind of Christian has God called you to be then? If it isn’t your job to expose false preachers and warn people from following after them, whose is it?
healtheland said
Robert Matthews: I am sincerely sorry for insulting you. I get a lot of comments on my tone, and I am praying to God over it. Look, I am not perfect, and I do not know everything. Reading the Bible a few times and running a couple of websites does not make you an expert. See, I was raised in a church that preached false doctrine, and a lot of problems in my life and in my family resulted. Now my family was messed up beforehand, which was probably why we joined that church in the first place, but the church only made things worse. So, I am just trying to do whatever I can to keep other people from going through what me and my family went through, and trust me it was a living nightmare. I am 34 years old, and only now am I beginning to experience a little love, joy, and peace in my life; able to do little things like sleep at night and control my speech and actions, stuff that most people take for granted. Like I said, the church that I grew up in wasn’t completely to blame for all of my problems, but they didn’t help matters any and they CERTAINLY helped make things worse. I didn’t even know what GRACE meant until over 2 years, probably going on 3 years now, ago. Before I saw a couple of TV shows by this preacher named Andrew Wommack, grace was just another religious term whose true meaning I did not know, and whose application to my personal beliefs and daily living I did not understand. There is a ton of stuff that I do not completely understand, but what little I do know, I do my best to tell people about it. But if you want to discuss these things further, please contact me at healtheland@lpemail.com. Thank you.
Lori Ann said
The Lord has called me to be the kind of Christian that can read and discern the truth for myself and I learn something new every single day of my life. I am also called to walk in love and to love even those that I disagree with. I praise God for His incredible mercy and His ability to overlook my own imperfections.
Our personal beliefs do not have to align 100% with someone to still hear from God through their teaching. If that were the case, there would be a lot of empty churches out there. Furthermore, my salvation does not hinge on my personal theory about the triune nature of God. I am saved because Jesus Christ, God’s only begotten Son, died on the cross and rose from the dead so that my sins could be forgiven. If His blood can cover my sins which are many, than His blood is sufficient to cover Juanita Bynum’s sin too. If she has fallen short in an area, then I pray that the Lord reveals the truth to her, but I would never try to hinder her purpose which is trying to build the kingdom of God. Blessings to you on your own journey.
Robert Matthews said
LORI ANN:
YOU PUT EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING IN WORDS…..ALL I GOT TO SAY IS THAAANK YOU! WELL PUT, SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE WORSHIPER OF CHRIST THE KING, MY FATHER AND SAVIOUR, JESUS CHRIST!
Crystal/ Ohio said
Just wanted to say I couldn’t agree more with Lori Ann’s last post.
Also: remember, our God specializes in redemption, reconciliation, regeneration and resurrection. To call another believer’s situation hopeless is to deny His power. Speak life.
healtheland said
Lori Ann, Robert Matthews, Crysal In Ohio: So what you are saying is that the personalities that you are following mean more to you than God or the Bible. Why? Because you are willing to follow someone knowing that they are false just because they entertain you with their personality or preaching ability. Admit it: were Juanita Bynum, TD Jakes, Noel Jones, and these other fellows bad preachers with caustic personalities, none of you would give them the time of day. Well, I am looking to someone like Paul. Scripture says – in Paul’s own words – that the fellow wasn’t much to look at AND wasn’t that fun to be around. I imagine that a great many people were offended by Paul’s apperance and preaching and found the gnostics, Nicolataines, Jezebels, and Judaizers more to their liking. And you know what? It was probably just like that in the time of Israel. They probably thought that those kings and prophets that were going after Baal, Ashtoreth, Molech, etc. would turn from their ways if they just “prayed for them.” Well, I am no Paul, Peter, Timothy, Jeremiah, or Elijah. I am just someone who knows that there is no profit in following someone who has been preaching for DECADES and STILL REJECTS THE BIBLE. Pray for them to change? Fine. But follow and support their ministry? WHY? I well tell you why: because you want to. They entertain you. They make you feel all good inside. Well, pardon me, but I am going to continue to challenge Christians to seek and desire something more.
Minister Nona said
HealtheLand: Thank you for what you are doing. By providing information on this site, you are giving people a choice. People can choose to continue listening to these people, or they can choose to do some research and make their own conclusions.
To my other beloved brothers and sisters here, I encourage us all to do some research. Rather than use HealtheLand’s tone as an excuse to continue “business as usual,” we must take the content and information provided and compare it with the Word of God. If there be any truth to it, we have a responsibility as Christians to observe it. If it be false, we have a responsibility as Christians to reject it.
Finally, I leave you with this thought: with so many “preachers” and “teachers” on TV, on the radio, in mega-churches, and magazines, you would think that America would be on fire for Jesus, wouldn’t you? But the exact opposite is happening. How is this possible? God already provided the answer in Psalm 12:8, “The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.”
Lori Ann said
OK, this is clearly an attack straight from the enemy but I have already been delivered from my own haughty spirit and foolish sense of religious pride. All of our perceived holiness and self righteousness is like filthy rags. Now when I start feeling like Little Miss Super Christian, I just review Isaiah 64, Matthew 7 & Proverbs 16 and I am humbled yet again.
I am following Jesus Christ, brother. You either believe that the blood of Jesus can cover all sin (mine, yours, and all those mentioned above) or you have missed the most important message of all. Moses was a murderer. Aaron created a golden calf for the children of Israel. David committed adultery. Your own personal favorite Paul was once named Saul and we all know his history. Hopefully you get my point but if not, let me spell it out for you. The Bible is filled with dysfunction, sinful people who were still favored by God and used to fulfill His divine purpose. They all made mistakes, they all sinned, they all drew wrong conclusions and God corrected them in His own timing. There is only one perfect man to ever walk the face of this earth and by your own admission above, it ain’t you.
No one is going to go be cast out of the kingdom for watching Juanita Bynum or reading Harry Potter or listening to rap music or any of the other negative nonsense that religious fanatics try to use to condemn us all to hell. We should be trying to win souls to Christ instead of bickering over obscure concepts that serve no purpose other than to create division and dissention. The Bible tells us that God is the Father, Jesus is the Son and the Holy Spirit is the Comforter that dwells within us, all of which operate to achieve the same goals and purposes. It doesn’t get much more simple than that yet man has managed to turn it into such an enigma that intelligent adults can’t even discuss the matter without blood shed. Sigh…
Robert Matthews said
Wow powerful answer Lori Ann, I was going to add something else to it but I think that you said enough.
healtheland said
Lori Ann and Robert Matthews: Harry Potter? Obscure concepts that serve no purpose other than to create division and dissension? Listen, please do me a favor. Read this document that I linked to last night (inspired a great deal by this very exchange) and let me know how much of it you agree with, how much of it you disagree with, and whether you think that it is important at all. http://anglicansonline.org/basics/thirty-nine_articles.html
healtheland said
Minister Nona: Thank you for your kind words of support. I would also appreciate hearing advice from you on how I can reform my tone, which is a common objection of many. I honestly do not know of a better way to call things and people heresies, apostasies, sins, abominations, false preachers, scam artists, etc. and still be able to accurately convey the harm and danger there is in what a lot of these “preachers” are doing.
love for christ said
leave Byum, Jakes, Jones alone let God be God and do His will. Pray for your unsureness your concerns that you have about these ministers of the gospel. We are in a time now that we need to be about our Father’s Business not anyone else’s. If you support them then do if you don’t then pray for them this is just uncalled for we christians should know better!
healtheland said
Love For Christ: I direct your attention to the very old document Thirty – Nine Articles of Christian faith. http://anglicansonline.org/basics/thirty-nine_articles.html. I also refer you to another website containing excellent very old documents on the Christian faith http://www.reformed.org/documents/index.html. Also, try this site: http://www.reformationsociety-tc.org/ Spend a good deal of time on them and thereby study to show thyself approved (II Timothy 2:15) and work out your own salvation (Philippians 2:12). Even if you do not agree with everything written therein (as I myself do not), investigating these documents will still reveal precisely how far so many of these TV evangelists have departed from sound doctrine and interpretation of scripture, and why letting people know such things IS being about our Father’s Business.
Minister Nona said
HealtheLand: When it comes to the internet/e-mail, “tone” is a subjective thing. I, personally, did not read anything into your tone. But, that is also because I do not currently have an allegiance to any preacher. If I would have read your page about two years ago, I would have been saying some of the same things that others say (i.e. stop talking about Bynum, Jones, etc., people make mistakes, etc.). You have to just realize that, when you talk about something or someone that people like, you are going to offend them. I would just caution you to make sure that you do not get into arguments or contentions. At the end of the day, your purpose is to provide information, provide clarification, and allow the Holy Spirit to provide conviction.
Thankfully, the Lord has led me to a deeper relationship with Him, such that I am no longer blinded or impressed by a person’s platform or charisma. If you speak the truth, according to the Word, I am all ears. If you twist the Word for personal gain or teach things that are not doctrinally sound, I turn you off. It took me years, however, to get to that point. I had to stop being spoon-fed by religious leaders and start drinking the Word by the gallon in my personal time of study. It was there that I discovered God’s truth.
I guess the thing that disturbs me the most about Christians today is that they are no longer striving for “holiness.” They are striving for fun and happiness, but not holiness. To be a Christian means you are “of Christ,” but I tell you what, the world is so confused by Christians. There was a time when a drunkard would straighten up when he walked by a church. Now, he would just laugh at the church. We have become a big joke. Hollywood makes movies about the church with an adulterous preacher and people “falling out” all over the place, and it’s supposed to be funny.
It’s not funny. We have a world that is dying while we pay $100 to go hear “the Word” from a preacher who you couldn’t even talk to about your real problems without going through their entourage. What is that about? I leave you with this thought. If you read the Word, you know that the one thing Christ never did was seek fame or recognition. As a matter of fact, whenever he did something miraculous, he said “you must tell no one of this.” Why is this? Here’s why: Christ new that once you become famous, you become untouchable. Once you become untouchable, you become unreachable. Once you become unreachable, you become unteachable. The world creates celebrities and exalts them. There is an example of this in the bible. Read Isaiah 14:12-21.
I say this again, and whole heartedly believe it. If you are angry or offended by what HealtheLand is saying, just do some research. The thing you must not and should not do is use this offense as an occasion to ignore what you have read. If there be truth, observe it. If there be falsity, reject it. I pray for and love each of you. Sorry for the length!
Robert Matthews said
Really quickly Heathland why do you direct us to websites and not the word to back up what you are backing. Yes it is nice for you to refer to a scripture or two like show yourselfs approved but you dont show yourself approved by knowing the content of a website but only the content of the word and how it was intended and not how some use bits and pieces for their own gain. To end this I will ask for forgiveness from Jesus and from anyone on this website that I have offended or may have strayed because it isnt my goal as a christian to act in division but to act in love. I dont think that it is a good thing that we act as we do when it comes to people who some things incorrect and then call them out as if they are crooked because I know that everyone that post on this website has something that they are doing in their lives that need improving and something that they are struggling with that only the lord can rid them of. In your case as in Jakes, Bynum, and whomever else I ask that you pray for them and “if” you are wrong and a true humble servant of the lord you will let yourself be corrected and if you arent wrong I pray that you may continue to spread the truth and nothing else but the truth through nothing but the word. P.S. You should have a chat room created so we can all meet and have a meeting of the minds because I think as christians if we can “TRULY” all get on the same page we can change the world and lead them to christ. Thank You
healtheland said
Minister Nona: Again, thank you.
Robert Matthews: I have used scripture after scripture and all of you have rejected them. Your own response was “See you have done what I would think a person of false doctrine might do and that is take what little piece of a something and make it a lie.” So I tried another tactic. Look, have you not read Paul’s epistles where he addressed people like Demas who betrayed him and the faith and called them what they were? The Bible is FULL of examples of people, from Jesus Christ on down, telling the truth about false preachers and doing so in the strongest possible language. There is absolutely no precedent in scripture for leaving deceivers alone and “just praying for them”, and all of you know it. You also know that scripture says that everyone who says Lord, Lord and heals, prophesies, and casts out devils in the Name of Jesus Christ is OF CHRIST. What separates the true Christians who will be accepted from the fake ones who will be accepted? 1) Loving God with all your heart, soul, and strength and 2) loving your neighbor. That doesn’t leave any room for loving yourself or for loving things, does it? So, for the last time: I contend against false preachers because I love God. I contend against false preachers because I love my neighbor that is being deceived by them. Who or what do you love and contend for when you claim that I should be silent regarding false preachers who with their lies A) blaspheme God and B) lead people to destruction? I am only doing what God clearly calls me to do in the Bible that He left for me to read and obey. You are free to obey whatever it is that whatever authority tells you to do.
Lori Ann said
Since I am neither Episcopalian or living in the 1800’s, I prefer to go directly to the primary source, the inerrant Word of God, in order to “work out my salvation”. That said, the Episcopalian “Articles of Religion” of 1801 appear to be more scripturally sound than their current views, i.e. ordaining homosexual clergy. I simply do not have time or the desire to wade through the other two links to even form an opinion.
I’m going to be incredibly blunt in order to save time. You have written a devotional entitled “Worship Jesus Not Religion” or something to that effect. It’s a beautiful message. The only problem is that I don’t feel the love of Christ when I read your posts re: Juanita Bynum, TD Jakes, Tonex, etc, and I don’t see any evidence that you have been able to incorporate the message into your own life based upon your arrogant attitude toward same. Essentially in this instance you are preaching like I diet…a lot of lip service but no action.
Your message carries no weight because there has been no impartation of the Word into your own heart. Any fruit that might have produced is left to wither on the vine because you are attempting to teach concepts that you have not yet mastered. A drug addict who is trying to break their addiction is not going to solicit moral support and/or guidance from their dope dealer and expect achieve a victory. If they are sincerely seeking deliverance, they are going to go to someone who is experienced in managing substance abuse issues and who has achieved some level of success in the recovery process.
You say that you want to enter into ministry but I would strongly encourage you to modify, no, completely overhaul your presentation style before launching yourself into that type of service. Regards…
IndependentConservative said
Healtheland – Notice how once you expose the sin and erred doctrine of false teachers like Bynum/Weeks, the critics (especially Liberally minded women who like to see sound doctrine forsaken and women be called pastors and rule over men in a church) come out of the woodwork and claim you are not showing “love”. They can make accusations about you, but if you call out someone else, then you are the one outside of “love”. They’ll say most anything to guilt you into shutting up. Don’t fall for it brother. You are showing love by telling them the truth.
healtheland said
Lori Ann:
First off, please stop lumping Tonex in with these people. If Tonex were like unto them, he’d have a lot more money, don’t you think? Not saying that it is a sin to be rich or anything like that, but you know what I am saying. Second, I am still waiting on you or anyone else to show me a single Biblical example of a man or woman of God suffering a false preacher to spew his lies and deceive the nations. Of course, I have read the Bible and know that it isn’t in there, but I just want to see you try. I have problems? Of course I do. I exhibit my problems to everyone freely so that all people who come to my website will see them and know that no matter what they have done, they can still call upon the Name of Jesus Christ and be saved and delivered. Paul said that though some were preaching Christ out of the wrong spirit and motivation (including malice against him) he nevertheless praised God for Christ was still preached. So, despite all of my flaws and shortcomings, I preach Christ, and not some false profanity of modalism, circumcision, and worldly gain.
Robert Matthews said
Unbelievable, IndependentConservative and Healtheland. You guys just dont get it, do you think that these preachers intentionally try to deceive or do you think that they might just have it wrong. So what they are rich, how do you know that they arent being blessed. Also IndependentConservative I am offended by (especially Liberally minded women who like to see sound doctrine forsaken and women be called pastors and rule over men in a church) comment. I hope that you dont think that women cant preach and sure hope that HEALTHELAND doesnt support that statement. WAKE UP GUYS WE ALL HAVE FLAWS AND I DONT THINK THAT THERE ANGLE IS INTENTIONAL.
Lori Ann said
The people you are so visciously attacking are not false teachers/preachers or any of the other nasty things you’ve said about them. You are arguing over semantics. Team Oneness believes in one God, three manifestations: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Team Trinity believes in one God, three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. So it boils down to manifestion vs. person. Do we agree thus far? Both sides are worshipping the same God. They are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit dwells in all of those who call upon His blessed name. In case you haven’t noticed, we’re all playing on the same team.
Who is right and who is wrong? Neither, IMO, and here’s why. Jesus prayed to the Father God. An audible voice was heard from heaven while Jesus was on the earth. Clearly two separate identities, IMO. Therefore I don’t accept the “oneness” theory.
God is not a “person” and neither is the Holy Spirit. God is God and to label Him as a person makes it sound like He’s just an ordinary guy! Since we won’t even require any type of external light source in the presence of God, logic tells us that God is so much more than just a person. Also if God was just a “person”, why did He have to send Jesus in the form of a man? Why didn’t He just come down Himself? Furthermore, the Holy Spirit is a spirit and cannot be classified as a person either, IMO. A spirit inhabits another body and the Holy Spirit is able to inhabit millions of bodies at once.
The simplest way to rectify the problem is to change the vocabulary used to describe the Father/Son/Holy Spirit relationship. Replace the words manifestation & persons to read “entity” and there would be nothing left to argue about. End of story.
I refuse to be bound by these petty doctrinal issues that have no effect on my salvation. God doesn’t care whether you call Him a manifestation or a person, JUST CALL HIM!!!
Here’s your example…it took place 2000 thousand years ago. My Savior, Jesus Christ, was scourged & beaten beyond recognition, mocked, spit upon, & crucified on a cross until He was dead. During his trial, they accused Him of blasphemy and gave false testimonies against Him yet Jesus remained SILENT. Jesus also prayed for God to forgive those crucified Him, saying “they know not what they do”.
As for God moving women onto the frontline in leadership, AMEN! We can’t even get most men to pay their child support now days much less lead a church.
Grace said
Clearly healtheland has an evil spirit because he/she does not have an ear to hear what the Spirit is saying. Healtheland is bypassing the true Word of God just to get his/her own point across which is not Christlike. Please don’t waste your time speaking to him/her on this and just pray that he/she be delivered.
healtheland said
Lori Ann and Robert Matthews:
See, this is why you are wrong. It is a HISTORICAL FACT that the trinity doctrine was agreed upon in Christianity for CENTURIES, and that the ONLY DISSENTERS were cults who call themselves Christians (or at least now they do where they did not previously) like Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is a HISTORICAL FACT that modalism first reared its ugly head in the 2nd century, and was based NOT on the Bible but some attempt to mix Christianity with some of the other religions and doctrines floating around at the time. It is a HISTORICAL FACT that these new Trinity – deniers came into being in their present form in 1913 when these fellows at this charismatic conference had these “special revelations” and “prophecies” that revealed to them that the doctrien of Trinity was wrong; that Christianity had it wrong for almost 2000 years, and now it was time to replace the lie with the truth, that God was unitarian just like the Jews and Muslims claim. It is a HISTORICAL FACT that these people then immediately tried to take over the charismatic movement and impose upon it their own doctrine, but were KICKED OUT and had to form their own denominations. They have been trying to re – insert themselves back onto actual Christianity ever since, and a huge part of their tactics have been A) blurring the lines between what they believe and others believe – which by the way is the same thing that Jehovah’s Witnesses and others do – and B) keeping their beliefs secret so that no one will know that they have the same model of the godhead as do Jews, Zoroastrians, and Muslims until one has joined their churches and/or invested much time and money following them, and thereby are more interested in defending their own emotions, experiences, and loyalties instead of the truth. So YES, these people are doing it on purpose, and not only that they have been at it for a long time, almost 100 years. This fact was borne out back in the 1990s over TD Jakes. When he first came out, he kept his views on the godhead secret AND he LIED on his denominational backers, claiming that he was nondenominational. It was only due to these Christian research websites that I cite often on this weblog investigating his background, they found out that he is NOT nondenominational but rather was in the LEADERSHIP of the oneness denomination that ordained him. So then they asked him if he believed in Trinity, and he said YES. So they asked him to explain his trinitarian beliefs, and after A LENGTHY DELAY AND REPEATED ATTEMPTS, he finally gave Christianity Today his beliefs on the godhead (in 1999) which was basically a filibustering statement designed to make both Trinitarians and modalists think that he was on their side. When Jakes was asked to cut all ties with the oneness people and to clarify his beliefs on the godhead, he refused, claiming that the oneness people were very important in “developing his values” and also that “his views on the godhead were still growing and developing.” What is he doing in the pulpit if he doesn’t understand the godhead? And another thing: you watch these fellows on TBN and on Christian TV; they never mention their views on the godhead. You go to their websites, and they either refuse to state their views on the godhead or they bury it and you have to hunt for it. It took me well over an hour of searching through the Remnant Fellowship website (the people who gave you the “Weigh Down” Christian weight loss movement that was featured on Nightline and was all the rage in the late 90s) before I saw their actual beliefs. So this whole “you say person, we say manifestation, both are wrong so let us just say ‘entity’” and this whole “God is like an egg with the yolk being the Father, the white being the Son, the shell being the Spirit”; this is just stuff that they developed over DECADES of defending themselves from Trinitarians (The hardcore apostolics, by the way, reject this type of talk, calling it “compromise” and “worldliness.” They actually bash Jakes and Bynum for hanging out with us pagans) so that they came come up with something to make you think that we believe the same thing but use different terminology when we really do not. The worst thing is this whole “well, it is a mystery that is unknowable anyway, so there is no point arguing over it.” Isn’t that a fine position to take by the people who started the argument in the first place! I repeat, there was NO ARGUMENT OVER TRINITY UNTIL 1913 WHEN THESE PEOPLE GOT THEIR SPECIAL REVELATION! It is no different from that Ellen White woman claiming by virtue of her “special revelation” that Jesus Christ and the archangel Michael are one and the same (the stuff of Mormonism and Jehovah’s Witnesses), and these Seventh Day Adventists adhering to it (though they do not say so publicly) because they have so much loyalty invested in the founder of their denomination. And I can imagine their defense. “Who can know; it is a mystery. We will find out when we get to heaven. Why are you limiting God or trying to understand His ways? The Bible never says that Michael and Jesus Christ AREN’T one and the same, so it is unclear. Why are we arguing over this? Let us just concentrate on the things that we agree on.” You know, these people are getting into Bible colleges and seminaries and getting extremely cunning at A) making their beliefs SOUND LIKE Trinity while at the same time B) doing their best to undermine Trinity. If one of these folks is your instructor at one of these colleges, he will do his best to make sure that you will either be a modalist, believe that there is no difference between modalism and the Truth, or be so confused about the Truth that you do not care by the time he gets through with you. Well, I will not apologize for opposing what these people who received their special revelation in 1913 have spent the last 100 years (or almost) trying to accomplish.
Lori Ann said
Egads, this is the 21st century and most of us are college educated individuals. I don’t base my opinions on the what the early church taught or what other radical websites think that TD Jakes believed in 1999. I read the Bible for myself and I allow the Holy Spirit to guide my interpretation. I have done indepth studies on every book of the Bible including the apocrypha. If you would have asked me what I believed in 1999, I probably wouldn’t have even listed God in my Top Ten.
If I had an issue with any doctrine taught by TD Jakes, Juanita Bynum, Joyce Meyer, etc., I would go directly to them and ask them to clarify their stance. If I still didn’t agree then I would tell them that I loved them as a brother or sister but I disagreed with X, Y, & Z. I would NOT create an anonymous blog and assume all sorts of things simply because Sister Diva Divine said that Christianity Today printed an article quoting Betty Bowers stating TD Jakes mowed his yard on Sunday therefore breaking the Sabbath and thereby confirming his lake front property in Hell. Have a blessed Sunday
Robert Matthews said
Lori Ann,
Thank you once again for clarifying to Healtheland because this entity just doesnt get it.
Love all
Robert Matthews
IndependentConservative said
TD Jakes can’t even grasp the concept of the trinity and folks who claim education stand in defense of him here. Interesting.
blackromancereader said
All I have to say is that I’m stunned and convinced of Healtheland’s sincerity and spirit because a number of phrases in her rebuttals are practically verbatim of some things my mother has been sharing with me when we sit down and have talks about spirituality and today’s church. I’m humbled by this confirmation because I know that I’ve been lukewarm in my walk with God, trying to conform to the world because I’m afraid to step out into the world of being a Christian (being of the world but not in it, as well as not expecting my life to go the same way everyone else’s has) and I’m convicted of my lukewarm walk despite having an awesome testimony. This website is a blessing! Keep on keeping on.
healtheland said
IndependentConservative: It is not that TD Jakes cannot grasp the concept of Trinity; it is that he specifically rejects it because of the church that he was raised in. He wants you to BELIEVE that he is “struggling” with the concept of Trinity so that Trinitarians won’t abandon him. Of course, if you keep following him, Noel Jones, Mark Hanby, Tommy Tenney, Juanita Bynum, etc. you will be “struggling” with the concept of Trinity as well. This very thread is evidence of how Satan won a huge battle in 1913 by slipping that lying spirit into this movement where all these people were assembled together speaking in tongues at the same time without interpreters in clear violation of Corinthians. But that is OK, God has already won the war.
healtheland said
Lori Ann and Robert Matthews: If TD Jakes, Juanita Bynum, Noel Jones, and all these other people weren’t on TV, A) you wouldn’t know them from a random person on the street, let alone pay attention to anything that they say and B) you wouldn’t be so willing to discount and discard everything that is inconvenient to following them.
You say that you have read the Bible? Well, the Bible clearly lays out the Trinity doctrine. Take the personhood of the Holy Spirit. It has emotions (it can be grieved). It has a specific job: to convict of sin, reassure of salvation, and to comfort. It has intellect in knowing the things of God. Not only that, it has a self – will, which it used to subject and subordinate itself to and do the Will of the Father and of Jesus Christ and in distributing its gifts in the church. Now “manifestations” do not have emotions, intellects, or self will? Neither do eggshells or egg yolks. Neither do “relationships.” No, only PEOPLE DO. And you know what else? You have Jewish law. Who gave Jewish law? God did. What does Jewish law says? That something can only be established as fact IF IT IS CONFIRMED BY TWO OR MORE WITNESSES. What must those witnesses be? PEOPLE. Now go to I John 5 and elsewhere in the Bible. What bears witness of the Father in Heaven and in earth? The Son and Spirit. What bears witness of the Son? The Father and Spirit. What bears witness of the Spirit? The Father and the Son. Why do they need to bear witness of each other? To PROVE and ESTABLISH that they are what they say they are: one God and the only One True God that is righteous, sovereign, and whose word is true. That was why Jesus Christ made a point of telling people in the gospels that He had seen the Father … it was His job to bear witness of the existence, righteousness, and holiness of the Father. Relationships cannot bear witness according to Jewish law and the principles that Jesus Christ set forth in it. Manifestations cannot bear witness according to Jewish law and its Godly principles, and pieces of eggs certainly can’t. ONLY PEOPLE CAN! Remove the Trinity doctrine, and there is NOTHING to bear witness of the existence of God the Father as no man has seen Him, and NOTHING to bear witness of the risen Christ since only 500 people – none of them living today – witnessed it, and there is NOTHING to bear witness to the fact that Jesus Christ was the Word become flesh and therefore God’s Word is true, inerrant, and the final authority! OF COURSE Satan wants to destroy the Trinity doctrine because without Trinity THERE IS NO WITNESS! Without Trinity, GOD’S OWN PRINCIPLES AND LAWS REGARDING WITNESS IS VIOLATED ON EARTH AND IN HEAVEN REGARDING HIMSELF! Satan has been a liar from the beginning, and from the beginning he has been trying to get man to believe that God is untrue, hypocritical, and unreliable, and it started in the Garden of Eden when he told Eve that she would not surely die!
And when you say stuff like “Egads, this is the 21st century and most of us are college educated individuals.”, you know who you sound like? Korah in the desert who led the rebellion against Moses. “We don’t have to listen to you, Moses, we are all the children of God, holy and righteous, we are just as capable of following God and obeying His Commands as you are.” Remember that? Well listen to me, Lori Ann, you have what is called SYSTEMIC THEOLOGY. People didn’t just sit around drawing Bible doctrines out of a had. Righteous men dedicated to God and His Word spent CENTURIES studying the scriptures that bore IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE that the Godhead is composed of THREE DISTINCT PERSONS. They spent CENTURIES studying the scriptures that told us A) where EACH DISTINCT PORTION OF THE GODHEAD HAD WILLS, INTELLECTS, EMOTIONS OPERATING INDEPENDENT OF EACH OTHER and B) ONLY PEOPLE HAVE DISTINCT SEPARATE WILLS, INTELLECTS, AND EMOTIONS. Let me ask you something … what do you think of abortion, especially in the third trimester? Well, medical science has PROVEN that by the third trimester (and almost certainly earlier) babies in the womb have intellect, will, and emotion. They have brain waves, play, dream, and have personalities. Georgia State University, right down the road from me (and no, my website is not “anonymous” as I provide my email address to anyone who wants to use it) has this major study going on regarding the psychological development of fetuses right as we speak, looking for pregnant women to volunteer. Yet, the state in its infinite anti – Christ wisdom has decided that something with emotions, will, and intellect is not a person, but rather is something whose personhood is worthy of being denied and destroyed. When you reject the doctrine of the Trinity out of the hardness of your heart and desire to follow a false preacher that tickles your ear and reduces the Godhead from being a mystery to being an egg, you do the same thing.
IndependentConservative said
Healtheland said
Most correct sir!
Lori Ann said
Dogs and cats also have emotions but they are still dogs and cats. Provide a scriptural reference that says the Holy Spirit is a person, that the Holy Spirit is “subordinate” or that the blood of Jesus Christ covers all sin except minor diversities in the interpretation of scripture. I am saved by grace by the blood of Jesus Christ. You are still trying to get to heaven through a legalistic approach. Good luck.
I think your complaint has more to do with the fact that they are wealthy, black and successful. They all have major platforms and you have this hateful blog. They are leading people to Christ by the thousands and you are doing what?
You keep repeating that TD Jakes and Juanita Bynum reject the trinity yet you have offered absolutely no evidence in print, video or audio form. When you can provide appropiate sources to support your opinion, let me know and I will be happy to entertain your thoughts. Until then, I will continue to enjoy the ministries of Juanita Bynum, TD Jakes, Joyce Meyer, Charles Stanley (my all-time favorite), Perry Stone, John Hagee, Beth Moore, Joel Osteen, Bob Coy and a multitude of others who have all blessed me in different ways.
Darren said
Greeting to you all. The doctrine of the trinity is and will always be a major pillar of the christian faith. Someone wrote in one of the earlier logs that they would’nt argue over things like the trinity because it does’nt affect their salvation because they no Jesus died and rose for them. I’m not here to argue with that statement; but I would like to ask you a question.
If the doctrine of God the Father, Son and holy Spririt is not of any great importantance, how do you know which Jesus saved you, and which god keeps you. Was it the JW’s jesus who was not th eternal God in heaven but and angelic being. Maybe it was Islams Jesus who is just a great prophet, but definitely not the eternal. in the flesh.
The bible says in the last days many would turn away from the truth (who is christ) and turn to deceptive doctrine of devils, When I first saw juanita Bynum years ago she was so annoined; but it saddens me now to see her. yes she shouts, and preaches in a way that so many in the black church like. But just because we like something does’nt make it right.
Here are some warning signs. Her husband is a BISHOP!!! in a ONENESS church, where his family have 3 generations men ministering. Her spiritual father is JD Jakes who is a BISHOP!!! in a ONENESS church. Know argue if you wish but the bible says how can two walk together unless they agree. Is She a ONENESS PENTACOSTAL; i don’t know, just look at the people she has around here.
I used to watch Jakes all the time; he has such great oratorical skills, he can command a the attention of multitudes, but he does’nt have a great command of correct doctrines. He’s a BISHOP; surely someone in such a stately position should know what he believes from what he does’nt. Many ministries have tried to get a response from him regarding his belief system. Maybe he’s frightened he’d lose a great number of fans (and money) if he openly declared himself ONENESS. I would like to close by saying that I have no desire to offend, but i do desire to walk after pauls biblical pattern.
He said we should mark them who bring erroneous, divisive, contrary doctrines to the taught by the apostles. History is littered with folloers of christ who gave their life because of doctrines we want to throw away as divisive and unnessary. They are the reason we’re able to enjoy reading our bibles, worship openly the God we supposedly love.
healtheland said
Darren: Thank you for your stand for Jesus Christ. May God bless and keep you in the Name of Jesus Christ. I also ask God to bless and keep all of you who that have read and participated in this thread, that He would bless and reveal Himself to you, and that you would accept Him for what He is and that you would endure to the end. In the Name of Jesus Christ, amen.
Kechup85 said
The Bible informs forewarns us of false prophets and the “falling away” of some, even those who are of elite status in the last days. The word of God does a great job at exposing the nature of fallacy that we may be alert and remain on guard. I commend you for despising fallacy, and your desire to dispell theological myth and error, but how you do it is not appealing, nor Christ-like.
It is the fervent and effectual prayers of the Righteous that availeth much, and if you are the Righteousness of Christ, then PRAY and let God vindicate His own people. Your attacks are similar to those of the Pharisees and Saduccees of the Bible. They were religious but obviously not relational, displaying no sign of God nor His grace–but they were hypocritical and quick to attack that which they did not understand. Whether you agree with them or not, they are men and women preaching the Gospel. Not all of them have formal theological training, but have rather been awarded honorary degrees. Nontheless, God uses them as He so desires, if He so desires. But that is not for you nor I to judge. If you are indeed a person chosen by God (yourself), then you should know and trust that God will answer your sincere prayers. Put them all in God’s hand, and let Him separate the “wheat from ther tare” (that’s why He is God and we are not).
God Bless, stay focused. But let God judge and condemn; for the same measure that you have judged them… (I believe you know the rest).
healtheland said
Kechup85:
You are totally wrong. First off, these people are not preaching the gospel if they deny the true nature of God out of the hardness of their hearts. Second, if God is using them, it is to separate among those who claim the Name of Jesus Christ the ones who love the truth from those who love the ways of the world with all of its comforts and lies. Third, I am not like the Pharisees or Sadduccees. Why? Because the Pharisees and Sadduccees denied the deity of Jesus Christ. Because of that, they were FALSE ACCUSERS. I, meanwhile, am pointing out that these modalists are no different from the Pharisees and Sadduccees because oneness pentecostals also deny Jesus Christ by claiming that He was merely a manifestation of the Father who was heard speaking from Heaven while Christ was being baptized. Finally, “let the wheat and the tares grow together? Brother, read the whole chapter of Matthew 13, here is the link for you. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2013%20;&version=9;
That parable applies to THE WORLD. The wheat and tares grow together in THE WORLD. We are not supposed to allow wheat and tares to grow together in THE CHURCH. We are supposed to kick liars, heretics, blasphemers, and apostates out of THE CHURCH. CHURCH DISCIPLINE, heard of it? Ever hear of Paul speaking of “delivering people unto Satan”? Read 1 Corinthians 5:5 and 1 Timothy 1:20 and tell me if that sounds like “letting the wheat and tare grow together” to you. Look, that parable was in response to the Jews asking why God as allowing the wicked to prosper; why the evil pagan Romans were allowed to continue in the world to murder and oppress the Jews, and why the rich were allowed to continue to exist to oppress and exploit the poor, and why criminals were allowed to continue to victimize the innocent and defenseless. It was about why a just and loving God could allow these evil people to exist rather than destroying them all. The wheat and tares growing together was Christ re – stating what was given in the Psalms about how though the wicked might be enjoying it for now, they will one day perish like the grass, be plucked up and tossed in the fire like the chaff. And this is not something that is subject to debate. Why? Because Jesus Christ Himself specifically stated in Matthew 13:38 ” The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one” Want me to say it again? THE FIELD IS THE WORLD. NOT THE CHURCH. WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH WICKEDNESS IN THE WORLD, BUT WE ARE NOT TO SUFFER IT IN OUR CHURCHES OR IN OUR LIVES! So sir, who has deceived you into believing that the wheat and tares applied to the church? Probably some false preacher who sought to deceive you so that you would not rise up against him. Now that you have been brought into the knowledge of the truth of what the Bible actually says and means on a consistent basis from the beginnings of the Old Testament to the end of the New, are you going to obey the Bible and take a stand for righteousness? Or are you going to continue to love and follow after the ways of the world? The choice is yours, and you had better believe that God will hold you to account for the decision that you make. Now sir, even if you did not know that Matthew 13 was in reference to the world and not the church, there is no excuse for applying the Pharisees and Sadducees, who had no interest in the truth and rejected it even after Jesus Christ resurrected (recall that they paid the Roman guards to say that Jesus Christ’s disciples stole the body), to someone who knows and is defending the truth. You were telling someone who is defending the truth to hold his tongue and to simply pray for the liars. Well, I will pray for the liars so that they will come into knowledge of the truth and that they will acknowledge and repent fo their wicked ways. But while they are lying, it is my duty to oppose their sin. You yourself know this, and were being convicted within your heart of the truth even while you were typing it. The only question is whether you will heed the truth that is in your heart, or whether you will reject it and thereby grieve the Holy Spirit.
MacBeliever said
As one who has recently attended a number of services at Mrs. Bynum-Weeks Atlanta church the thing that disturbs me the most is the constant marketing whether in programs, events, services, website etc. The emphasis is not on the gospel but on enriching the individuals. Even more disturbing is the mis-use of scripture to make points that are not supported by the quoted scripture in context. It is disheartening to see so many who genuinely have a desire to know God being led astray. I am praying for the Weeks that they return to their first love. I had attended some services with Mrs. Bynum-Weeks years ago before marriage when she truly preached the WORD and it is hard to believe that she has changed to the extent that she has. I know there was a time when serving God with a pure heart was her desire. Please pray that she remembers the love she has forsaken and will use the opportunity to help those that she has led astray to follow the true teachings of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
healtheland said
MacBeliever:
I will have to take your word for it regarding Juanita Bynum was once a preacher of true Christianity, but even then it would have had to have been years ago, because I have known of this woman since at least 1999 and she has always been preaching and doing pretty much the same in that time. But as for Bishop Weeks, I have to disagree. Weeks was A) born and raised in the oneness pentecostal cult that came into existence in modern times in 1913 and B) he along with his father have a history of questionable behavior and doctrine that extends even beyond the falsity of modalism (which is what “oneness” or “Jesus only” was first called when it emerged in the second century AD and was rejected by the early church, and other names are Sabellianism, modalistic monarchianism, or modal monarchism with its adherents renounced and kicked out as heretics). These folks make claims oddly similar to that of the Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses that the original true church had their beliefs, but trinitarian “paganism” was imposed on the church by Constantine, and that a few faithful people kept the truth alive on the earth until God used some faithful soul to fully restore it. The Mormons say that it was Joseph Smith and the Watchtower Society say that it was Charles Taze Russell in the 1800s; the oneness pentecostals say that it was these people who were speaking in tongues without interpreters at these charismatic conferences following Asuza Street in 1913. And the worst part is that these people do not publicly state their beliefs and backgrounds, you have to research them. Noel Jones is the only one of this bunch (that includes TD Jakes) to have publicly dealt with his modalist beliefs, and that was way back in 1999. TD Jakes even flat out lies by claiming to believe in Trinity while describing the godhead according to modalist terms AND retaining a high position of authority in a oneness denomination (while claiming that The Potter’s House is “nondenominational”; a large percentage of his members do not even know that Jakes denies Trinity or that they are members of a denomination that denies it)! Independentconservative.com has a story on it about how Bishop Paulk (if you are familiar of the Atlanta area, you know of his many sex scandals) was the one who established Juanita Bynum as a TBN star during one of their pledge drives. So again, if Bynum was ever a true Christian preacher, it would have had to have been a LONG time ago.
Godslove said
i would like to know if you r baptised and filled with the holy spirit. Has God himself spoken to you!
Romans 8:33
Who shall bring charge agaist Gods elect? It is God who justifies.
Who is he who condemns?It is Christ who died and furthermore is also risen who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
your still a baby spiritually, your not on the level where Gods word is manifast through you.
I believe that God will come to you in a way that you have never encounted him before.
stop looking on the people and follow Gods words when i listen to the people you listed i recieve the word not them
when you have true intimatecy with God you can hear God for your self
Tongue is a heavenly language which only God understands.
My people perish for the lack of knowlegde
many people know the bible cover to cover but without knowlegde and understanding it is a useless tool.
faith without works is dead.
But the fruits of the spirit is love, joy, peace,longsuffering,KINDNESS, GOODNESS, FAITHFULNESS, GENTLENESS, SELF-CONTROL, AGAIST SUCH THERE IS THERE IS NO LAW.
AND THOSE WHO ARE IN CHRIST HAVE CRUCIFIED THE FLESH WITH IT’S PASSIONS AND DESIRES.
IF WE LIVE IN THE SPIRIT, LET US ALSO WALK IN THE SPIRIT.
LET US NOT BECOME CONCEITED PROVOKING ONE ANOTHER, ENVYING ONE ANOTHER
BEAR ONE ANOTHER BURDENS AND SO FULFILL THE LAW OF CHRIST
FOR IF ANYONE THINKS HIMSELF TO BE SOMETHING, WHEN HE IS NOTHING, HE DECEIVES HIMSELF.
BUT LET EACH ONE EXAMINE HIS OWN WORK AND THEN HE WILL REJOICING IN HIMSELF ALONE, NOT IN ANOTHER.
JUDGE NOT THAT YE BE NOT JUDGED
MAY GOD BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU.
healtheland said
Godslove:
“i would like to know if you r baptised and filled with the holy spirit. Has God himself spoken to you!” Yes. I am a born again spirit – filled Christian who speaks in tongues. Want my testimonies? http://healthelanddevotionalarchives.wordpress.com/2007/03/01/testimony-time/ and http://healthelanddevotionalarchives.wordpress.com/2007/05/04/testimony-time-ii/
And it is revealing that you all accuse me rather than defend Bynum – Weeks. Why? Because none of you can defend the indefensible (which is good, because it means that you are not reprobates). So, you attack me. And as for this abusing scripture with the “judge not” thing: so … Peter should not have judged Simon the magician when he tried to buy the Holy Spirit in Acts? Please recognize that Acts specifically said that Simon the magician believed the gospel, meaning that he was saved. So Peter had no right to condemn the sin of Simon? According to you, no. Well, I have a couple of weblog entries that opposes this “do not judge” lie that everyone wants to apply to their favorite preacher. How about instead of asking the people not to judge, you start asking these preachers not to sin and pervert doctrine? http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2007/06/20/how-not-to-read-the-bible-misusing-judge-not-james-59-in-order-to-avoid-christian-responsibility/ and http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2007/06/20/how-not-to-read-the-bible-when-the-wheat-and-the-tares-should-not-grow-together/. I haven’t received any comments on either of those yet. Maybe you will be the first.
Lisa Fikes said
Hello all~
I was in shock to see all of the comments, especially the time and effort that has been made. I’m really lost for words. I must say, everyone is correct!!!!!! Why, because all of it is God’s word. Yes we do err, but in order to be chosen of God, someone is called to rebuke false doctrine. I’m very big on doctrine, because one prophesy incorrectly spoken can ruin someone’s life. I lost my mind because of a hireling, preying against a babe in Christ. All I can say is, it doesn’t take all that talking, just allow your discernment to be sharpene. Everything is not expedient. There’s a time and place for it all. Yes look out for my babes out there. I’m an advocate for the children in the gospel, meaning those that are unexperienced. I believe people can just call themselves a preacher. This takes years of study and learning God’s voice, when your called from the pew. I love JBynum,& Jakes. I buy alot of there tapes, I’m even going to Juanita’s conference August 8-11. IO do agree I’ve seen some things and heard some, that does not line up. All I can say Dreamland is don’t forget to focus, pray, see it in love. Yes it’s very frustrating, but they have done alot for the kingdom, so we are going to give them credit where credit is due. Right is Right and Wrong is Wrong. You have to put on the shoes to shod the preparation of Gospel. YOu have to put on the full armour. God, our father in heaven, asked if we would not debate over the word. Exposure is done in a decent and orderly manner.E
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Lisa Fikes said
Oh yeah~
For those that are being led away, when you seek God with your hold heart, he opens up blind eyes. I’ve never seen the righteous forsaken. God knows how to take the blind fold off, if your truely seeking him. So alot of people are not God’s children. My sheep know my voice, and a stranger they will not follow. God allow our gifts to be sharpen, and some is a test. If we like these people, will we like them enough to say they wrong, but I know they are chosen of God. We have to look at balance here. The letter killeth, but the Spirit bringeth life. In all your getting, get understanding. You shall know them by there fruit.
LLF
Ryan said
I really cant believe what some people have said on here! Both TD Jakes and Juanita Bynum both proclaim the trinity. Through there preaching and teaching they acknowledge the work of the father the son and the holy spirit.
Also in the clips above from youtube, they do not add any weight to your point of view.
Wayne said
First, TD Jakes is GAY!
Second, Juanita “Bind’em” Bynum is a Sex Pervert and Addict!
Did you know that about either of them??
Dez said
Unbelieveable…
What I really think after reading all of this, (and surprisingly, I took time out of my lunch to do so, is that we spend too much time arguing. Salvation is personal. Its about relationship, sonship, and being led by the Holy Spirit into all truth.
What I dont understand, is that we have sooo many denominations, religions, faiths, to the point where I wonder, WHAT DOES GOD FEEL ABOUT ALL OF THIS DIVISION?
I search the scripture, and ask GOD to reveal HIMSELF to me, because there is no union at all among “US CHRISTIAN”. Does anyone think that GOD is saddened by this. Everyone wants to spread the truth.
I have been watching so many of the preachers that are named above of which we are discussing. I have also seen so behaviors that frighten me. HOLINESS, CHRISTIANDOM is not HOLLYWOOD. Where is the deliverance, where is the word changing hearts and minds, where is the word just being taught. I have had enough with BRIGHT LIGHT BIG CITY Church, and I must say, I have found a teaching that is straight and hits to the hip. Holiness is not a denomination, it is a way of life. Hell is where you go, if you do not live holy. Why can’t it just be that simple. Why do Christians, Scholars, and Teachers, and Preachers, try to make salvation so complex.
I thank God for my pastor, who yes, is a woman… Dr. Aretha Wilson, whom GOD uses mightily. God has used her, and the Word that comes from her to put fire under my feet and press toward those things of GOD that I long for.
I have been been disappointed with a lot of things I see in the media, but will things change because I am here bashing them, or will it change because I pray….
IndependentConservative said
Dez, there is division because our Lord came to bring it, Matthew 10:34-39. To divide those who are for themselves from those who honestly are for the Lord. We are to separate from those who refuse to follow scripture, 1 Corinthians 5:9-13.
Likewise, scripture does not grant women leadership over a church assembly. In fact, there are many men who need to step down from roles they have assumed as church leaders, Titus 1, 1 Timothy 3.
healtheland said
Daz: As long as there is darkness, light will oppose and overcome it. As long as there are lies being spoken, there are those who are going to speak the truth. As long as the poor are being oppressed and exploited, people are going to rise up and advocate for them. If that is what you wish to call “division”, then so be it.
Brother Will said
Where is the word trinity in the bible? I read the definition of the word trinity and it says its a theorogical term. I do believe in the Father,Son and the holy spirit. Jesus prayed to father and is also seated at the right hand of the father. Can someone give me the scripture with the word trinity in it.
healtheland said
Brother Will: Where are the words incarnation and advent in the Bible? Has the word rapture appeared in any Bible save the Vulgate? Lots of theological terms are not in the Bible. You will have to do better than that.
IndependentConservative said
Brother Will, the term Trinity is proven by definition in scripture. All over scripture. Even in the old covenant scriptures. See this write-up that shows that even Hebrew scripture defines a Trinity, a Tri-Unity in God.
Brother Will said
Im not here to argue the word of God. Im just asking a question. Not to debate the word. Let God be true and every man a liar.
IndependentConservative said
Brother Will is playing games with this. If we were to discuss scripture he’d have to admit the Trinity is proven in scripture.
Brother Will said
Im not saying that the unity between God,Christ and the holy spirit arent proving in the scriptures. Where did i say that at.
IndependentConservative said
Brother Will, in 1 Timothy 3:16 was the apostle Paul correct to say that God was “manifest in the flesh”? Is Jesus Christ God in flesh? Given Jesus came to earth via Mary receiving Him via the Holy Spirit, Matthew 1:18. We know God the Father is pleased with His son’s work, 2 Peter 1:17 and calls Jesus “God”, Hebrews 1:8-9. John 1 shows their unity.
This shows Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all God working as One.
A term like “Omnipresent” is not in scripture either, but just like the term Trinity is proven with scripture.
Brother Will said
ok.
Tony said
Concerning Juanita and the Bishop:
I guess the latest mess between juanita and her “wife beater” just further justifies this subject, I guess. If the truth was in their lives, then it would have kept them out of the domestic violence, and the bishop would not be currently on the lam! Even though I have listened to them, I never respected their preaching as no more than charismatic babbling! Neither of the two are of God, they are of themselves and working to gain riches and worldly favor!
quencina said
We will continue to respect the Prophetess and husband. The truth is in them. Everyone of us has something that we battle daily for what ever reason. We all have a chance to be so-called human. Respect does not change for my parents even tho’ I have seen their “human” side. Love respect and honor will continue for our Lord’s name sake. Now, our job is to pray even more for them and show much love.
Tony said
I forgive them for being human! But when you sell out Christianity for stardom there comes a price to pay! It doesn’t make you bad for falling (just human), but from God’s perspective it’s more important to have shepherds who have first conquered the devil’s simple traps before standing before the world to preach salvation and how to avoid or escape Satans big traps.
Juanita and the Bishop are both still dealing with the same issues they have been dealing with most of their lives—DOMESTIC VIOLENCE at some point or another! Where is that Spirit they’ve been preaching about now? If their Spirit was real, it should have easily prevented the incident yesterday! ["...A form of godliness but denying the power... ?"]
We should be followers of the way of Christ and the words of God, not just the followers of men! If we focused on the right way we wouldn’t be so let down when our “IDOLS” fall and are exposed! And besides, they have more money than most will ever have, so any problems they have– they brought to themselves for seperating away from the Spirit that first brought them to the Truth! I hope you can feel me.
Tony said
For those who want inside
http://www.eurweb.com/story/eur36187.cfm?pid=baw
Gale said
I don’t understand how can any of you can say, that Bishop Weeks and Prophetess Bynum are not preachers of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I love the Ministry of Juanita Bynum. I only wish that there were more preachers of the gospel like her. There is a need for people to be careful of what they are saying, about other people and an examination of there words, should definitely be considered, before its uttered. At any given moment, anyone of us could slip into error. I am indeed hurt about this kind of news. I hope that it’s lie and not the truth. It is our Christian duty to pray for our brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus.
Sherry said
All we can do is pray for them. Bishop Weeks was wrong for beating her, but she was also wrong for following him in the parking lot. According to the article he left her their meeting abruptly, and she followed him in the parking lot, words were exchanged and then THEY fought. And why would I have to meet my husband 4 a.m in the morning, whether we are separated or not. I just hope and pray that they work things out, because this news is only making a mockery of the church, and GOD. So let’s not judge, but remember that LOVE covers a multitude of sin. God is looking for us to still love them, and to keep them lifted up before him, because they are going to need at.
God's Child said
Love COVERS a multitude of sins. He who is without sin cast the first stone. Do not be rebellious against God’s word which tells us that we are not to touch is anointed or do his prophets any harm. God’s words are above every word you can say against any human being.
darnell said
All this is bull! We all know that the scriptures is first culture, history, and the gospel. It is so funny in how we maintain an ignorant view of the scriptures. Even the Apostle Paul stated “we know in part”. When we as people is going to realize that there is more to learn and to understand in how he (God) deals with his people. WE DONT KNOW IT ALL!
evangelist carroll said
1chronicles 16:22 Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm. And you wonder why they keep taking your post off .God will not let them be exposed.Psalms 52:2 The tongue deviseth mischiefs; like a sharp razor, working deceitfully.i have not heard them say anything out of Gods will. Psalms 27:2 When the wicked, even mine enemies and my foes, came upon me to eat up my flesh, they stumbled and fell.this want continue God said it.i rebuke this spirit in the name of jesus no weapons formed shall prosper Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.ordained by God and not man im praying for you that God gives you wisdom.
healtheland said
darnell: So the best that you could do in your introductory comments that represents both yourself and the God that you serve on a Christian weblog is to say “All this is bull”, making use of the abbreviated version of and reference to a coarse vulgar profanity? Precisely how did you intend to honor and glorify God in that fashion? “We all know that the scriptures is first culture, history, and the gospel.” Excuse me, but where does the Bible say that? The Bible is a record of God’s salvation history, with the first hint of the gospel, called the protoevangelism of Genesis by theologians, being Genesis 3:15 – “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.” And as for your “When we as people is going to realize that there is more to learn and to understand in how he (God) deals with his people.” Well, how can learning take place unless we first distinguish between what is truth and what is not? Does 2+2 equal 3 or does it equal 4? If you are unwilling to take a stand on that question (and the correct stand I might add) however are you going to be a mathematician, engineer, biologist, chemist, physicist, or cashier? “WE DONT KNOW IT ALL!” Yes, but we do know right and wrong as clearly given in the Bible. People such as yourself only appeal to ambiguity when the falsehoods of your favorite preachers are exposed. The amazing thing is that Bynum and Weeks III do PLENTY of condemning. So it is OK for them to oppose others that are not living up to scripture (or their interpretation of it), but not for them to be held to that same standard? Oh, the inconsistency, hypocrisy, and dishonesty that abounds!
H. Windham said
I am a child of Christ and strongly believe in peace through out the world. I cannot understand how Bishop Weeks could even think about hitting a woman. Apparently He does not live what he preaches. Juanita Bynum did not deserve any kind of physical abuse no matter what she may have said. I am very much concerned about the TV Evaunulist. It seams to me that many of them are false teachers and they are only interested in money. If you took away most of their money you would have more exPreachers than we have honest preachers. Most of the TV evangelist are MILLIONAIRS. My bible says it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven. And another thing when Christ rose on the third day he did not tell a man to go and tell everyone thet he had risen. He told Mary. There for he respected and believed that women were as capable of being carriers of his word. He had a very close friendship with Mary and He felt that she was as capable as any man to spread the word. I pray for more love and kindness toward everyone no matter their sex, Religion or sexual orientation Because GOD IS LOVE
Need Help said
You christians are fighting among yourselves. I am not saved and want to be but after hearing all of you so called, I feel I am alright. At least we not fight among ourselves. I was just thinking a week ago, maybe I will try this Jesus, Preacher Juanita was taking about. But now you confused me. I can’t read but I will get my child to read to me. I don’t know who to pray to or serve. You all say both is wrong and the Preachers are wrong. If you want to know you got to find out for yourself and that is what I am going to do. My Grandmother use to say, Will save your self. Well I will find out myself because Preacher Juanita told me I need to be saved and stop sinning or I will go to HELL. I got to be careful because that is a curse word, but I don’t want to burn. But you people are fighting and I am confused. I learned the bible said Love they neighbor, they enemy, do good for them. Love is the greatest gift. I tell my childen that. Pray for one another when they err. Preacher Juanita prayed for me and have some of the others in Jesus name. So was that wrong? Should it be in Trinity? My Grandmother would say Will do it in Jesus name and if it be thou will. She would say stop talking about people, stop finding fault and pray for them, help them don’t accuse unless you got the full understanding your self and if you lack understanding go to Jesus. he will open up your understanding and she said if you lack Wisdom ask of Jesus. Was my Grand Mother wrong. She told me once at church, they called on Jesus and they baptised in Jesus. But see I did not understand that until Juanita told me to go to Acts 2:38 and also Preacher McGrath told me to do the same thing. But I got to repent, I can’t because you all are fighting.
healtheland said
Need Help: The unsaved do not fight amongst themselves? Remember the war between Iran and Iraq? About seven million dead if I recall? And “our fighting” is preventing you from being saved. Sure, like the fighting between the Pharisees and Sadducees and the many other Jewish sects of that time prevented Paul, Peter, Stephen, and everyone else from getting saved. No, we have nothing to do with your salvation. The only thing preventing your salvation is YOU. If you want to be saved, this link tells you all that you need to know, and you can get your daughter to read it to you if you have to. Follow The Three Step Salvation Plan or will will be in the lake of fire (which is not a swear word) along with all of those false preachers. Whether I am a false preacher and will be in the lake of fire myself is of no concern to you. The question is whether YOU will be saved or not. Even if I am a false preacher, this salvation program comes straight from the Bible, and God will use it to save you if you follow and believe it. If I spend an eternity in the lake of fire, well that is my problem, and it has nothing to do with you. This is all about you and what happens to you. So follow The Three Step Salvation Plan and be saved right now!
Angela Maxwell said
All of us must remember there is a world out side of this world called the spirit realm , which contains the underworld and if your not rotted in Jesus Christ , nor have a solid foundation. Your enemy Satan will destroy you.. So Prophetess and Bishop Week needs to be restore and repent openly before God and men.
GRACE - MERCY said
Dear help, I would like to apologize on behalf of the so call saints who forgot that we are here to win souls 4 the kingdom of god and not run them away.I would like to encourage you to keep seeking after GOD/JESUS YES THER ARE MANY FALSE PREACHER OUT THERE BUT NOT ALL THEM ARE WRONG SO DONT LET ANY ONE STOP YOU FROM GETTING SAVE!
Miracles Believer said
His Message (Jesus) was one of love and forgiveness…he came not to condemn but to save. Could you possibly imagine Christ condemning either Juanita Bynum or Bishop Weeks. As a matter of fact, could you ever imagine Christ having a conversation about who would burn in the “lake of fire?” I just can’t see him saying that..but I can hear him saying “Love the Lord thy God with all your heart and to love thy neighbor as thyself.” Well I love myself too much to spend eternity in a “lake of fire,” so I would never condemn my sister or brother to such. But I know Christ arms are wide open ready to accept us all, just as we are…because he sees us and knows us as we are….little beaming lights of God…its just that sometimes (or most times) we forget it. But thank God, Christ NEVER forgets, which is why He is standing in the gap, letting us all in to experience Eternal Life, and Joy & Peace whenever we are ready to accept it. ACIM states (and I loosely translate): “You are not really capable of being sick or tired, but you are weary from constant judgement.”
So I ask you, WWJD (what would Jesus do?)…pray and meditate on that, and let your heart lead you.
Be Blessed and may His LIGHT shine in You so that we all recognize and see the DIVINITY within which is our God-given birth rite!
Love Light Peace Joy & Laughter to You!
ann said
What ever happened or did not happen with Prophetess and her spouse can you make a difference with all the bashing I am reading ?Relationships are built (True I just believe the high places are being brought DOWN and exposed There is her side , his side and then the TRUTH.. Why the heated discussion over they believe in Trinity or no they are Oneness. I struggle daily to keep my sanity and I seek the Lord to guide and help me. I can not stand the Church World as it is . You fight over doctrine and I just want to learn how to endure everyday struggles. When you get in trouble do you take the time to go Father, Son Holy Ghost , No as i read the scriptures the Name to call on is Jesus.
I don’t want any part of your organized churches.
People stay away from church because of this type of stupidty. I will seek God and know he will answer me without the help of any of you all.
Good grief the replies are unreal
Lawrence said
The holy Apostles warned us about people like the false prophets bynum and weeks. If this woman was such a powerful prophet (sheis NOT) I believe she would have been waqrned by the Holy Spirit that she was about to get a royal beat down. Funny how God supposedly gives her a “word” about new cars, homes, jobs, etc,. but for some strange reason she can’t hear Him warning her that she is about to get her behind stomped all over the parking lot. If it wasn’t true, it would be funny.
The Lord Jesus saved his most scathing remarks for false religious leaders. People like bynum, Weeks, Jakes, etc, bring scandal upon the holy name of Christ. We should not follow them. We should arn others not to, as well.
Tank God for the moderator of this site, and their willingness to take the heat frm the religious zealots. If one person wakes up to the spiritual danger these false teachers pose, it is worth it. These people have itching ears and want to hear only things that make them comfortable and happy. If Bynum and her co-horts had been alive 2000 years ago, they would have been stoned to death for there false prophesies. And this would have been at the clear direction of the word of God.
Miracles Believer said
so do you believe Christ would have stoned them…or would he have said,let him who is without sin cast the first stone?
Olivia said
My god I will pray for all you so called christians. Yes! He w/o sin cast the 1st stone! we none are perfect in none of our ways they both made mistakes just as we all have. I can not speak for Mr Weeks but I can definitely speak for Prophetes Bynum, only God knew my heart and my thoughts when she came down to my hometown for a conference, I told no one how I felt. But, just what I asked God to do for me thru her to show me that He is real and to show if she is annoited by God to be used in such a manner came to past. So, I tell you all God says, touch not my annoited and do my prophet no harm and every tongue that rises up against His children He shall condem. I tell you to be careful what you allow to roll off of your tongues.
Olivia H
Hetta said
To “Need Help”. Please don’t give up on your seeking for Jesus Christ because of what you read on the internet. I beg you. Many criticize God’s people. Even those confessing Christ themselves. But it is the Lord Himself calling you to Him. I pray He will nestle Himself in your heart and that you will be born again. You will learn and grow and will be more able to understand the kind of comments you see on the internet.
In God’s love,
Hetta
robin said
If you truly beleive in God, follow his word and pray to him about it, maybe you need to read the new testament countinually and pray for the full understanding of it. Until you fully understand what that means, if he did not come to comdemn and destroy the world but to build up. He also stated we are to build and lift each other up.Bottom line love each other no matter what, can we actually judge and take the place of God. Regardless to a person’s title we can not put our trust in them , that trust belongs to the Father. Read your bible again, look at all the patrons of the bible were any perfect? Did not all sin before God, because as i recall only one was perfect, listen to him. P.S look at the world around you and at your self, you could be turning this negative energy into positive. You have a right to your opinion, I just wonder if you were not doing this what would you be doing. LOOK AT YOUR SELF, JESUS ASKED YOU TO BE ABOUT HIS fATHERS BUSINESS WHICH IS TO BUILD UP THE KINGDOM. So if you are doing the oppisite,whose work are you doing. What needs to be revealed jesus will reveal it that is his promise. Who would you have the peolpe to follow? Not your choice. Never was.Lord I pray what I have spoken let it be true and done, in Jesus Holy name, Amen.
Charles Hart said
As a God-fearing follower of Christ (not men), It seems that the devil has infiltrated the buildings we call church and made a mockery of the true faith in Jesus Christ. As Christians we are to be the light of the world, and our hope is in the next life, not rooted in the cares of this world. The church is in the heart and whether in prison, the wilderness, or any state of persecution the spirit will guide us to peace and comfort. If we could look in the bible and hold true to the words of the prophets who suffered, were beheaded, stoned, and burned alive while asking God to forgive, we would be ashamed of our desires and lifestyles in this world. When God sees their sacrifice and we tell him we could not pay our car payment and suffered who do you think he will say carried the cross until death. Our ministry is not about just talk, but also our walk. The incident of domestic abuse was not caused by the devil, but he laid the trap when we decided to forget the importance of gender(male and female) to God, the family, and our roles. God did not command us to marry, we chose it to avoid condemnation caused by desires of the flesh. I heard on the radio the extravagance involved in the wedding described by a hip-hop D.J. and he said he wondered how many people could have been blessed by the money spent. This are words from the world! I can only say that God’s empowerment involves the weak, meek, humble, poor, and those not seeking the power the devil offered EVE and Jesus. Read and pray about it.
sandra said
They are both humans and are not beyond making mistakes.We are living in times where there is a need to expose false prophets, but who made any of us a judge. We all have problems and some times our emotions get the best of us. But that does not make us any less holy. and besides juanita bynum never preached anything i could not back up in the word. it is an individual choice to focus on the person instead of the word. Christians are acting more like the world, so with that said i guess you can understand the phrase stop hatin, and pray for our nation, and rebuke satan for he and his angels is having a field day while we joking on our brother and sister
Ruth said
Greetings in the matchless name of Jesus!
I use to be very active in the ministry as far as the four walls but through church hurt I’ve been on a sabbatical the past 6-7 years away from the things of ministry But I never gave up my relationship with God and how I treated others.
I had to hear about the incident from my blood sister. I feel saddened and its unfortunate for the church world but its sad that when we spend hours in a seat giving our time over to organizations that when we have problems a majority of the time we have to work through it for ourselves. I wised up to this after leaving the US Marines and going into the ministry with a military mindset gave everything and was hurt so now I am better that I have backed up and don’t give all the time that I use and money. I’m grateful to God that it took church hurt to wake me up. My concerns and heart goes out to the Bishop and Prophetess.
In Him,
Ruth
P.S. Let’s keep the church in our hearts. God bless and let’s win this race called life and everyday living to survive.
Randomness1 said
Folks,
I just finished listening to prophetess Bynum-Weeks and boy can she preach! However, as powerful as her preaching is, if she speaks to Bishop Weeks with that preaching tone, then it was proper for the bishop to have slapped her at the airport. Such was the same tone that Saddam Hussein used when he responded to G.W’s question to him back in the day, and all of us are witnesses of the aftermath.
But Bishop & his darling wife should not limit their fight to airports alone, they shoud take it straight to their biggest fans, and next a stadium( any of the numerous ones they may have preached in, is ok), …I believe you all are in support of my train of thoughts or thoughtlessness, which is exactly what Bishop Weeks did.
My God my brain is moving quite fast today.
Warm Regards to Bishop & Prophetess
(or Cool regards-depends on if you guys have cooled off yet)
Mackenzie said
Jesus also confronted and exposed the religious hypocrites of His day. Those with a form of religion, but denying the power thereof. As far as the teachings of the Ms. Bynum, I had quite a few occasions to be a part of their “Show” when they were in Maryland. I had quite enough when Ms. Bynum gave the siters in Christ marital advice and began to show us how to speak in tongues while giving our husbands oral sex, like she apparently did… All the while using the microphone as a substitute male organ… Okay… where’s the Scripture for that…??? Please… the devil is a liar.
Daughter of the Ministry said
I am a member of Global Destiny Church, and I am in shock over how you people are talking about the Father and Mother of my church. If you would spend more time praying and not pointing your fingers, we could work together. These are the days were God is calling all of us to unite. The enemy is having a field day because we as believers, still cannot pull together.
Don’t talk about God’s annointed! It is a very dangerous thing for you to do. Bishop messed up, but he only has to answer to God. And as far as I know, none of you are Him.
TASHANA CONSTANTINE "ME" said
FIRST OF ALL ALL YOU SUPPOSE TO BE SAVED CHISTIANS (REALLY AREN’T)ARE EMBARRASSING ME AND JESUS. U GUYS FORGOT THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE STILL HUMAN BEINGS. IV’E FELLOWSHIPPED AT NEW GREATER BETHEL FOR YEARS AND ALL I HAVE SEEN IS REAL AND FAKE [PEOPLE WHICH IS SO NORMAL THAT IDOLIZE HER AND ALOT OF THESE FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST AS IF THEY ARE NOT HUMAN BEINGS. FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE, THE CONCLUSION OF THE MATTER IS THAT THE POWER, TITLE, MONEY…BLAH BLAH IS NOTHING. BUT THE REAL TRUTH IS WE NEED GOD, EVEN THE POWERFUL FOLLOW -ERS OF JESUS. THE DEVIL IS OUT FOR ANY TYPE OF PROGRESSING RELATIONSHIP. MEANING HE IS TRYING TO STUNT, DESTROY AND END ALL RELATIONSHIPS BECAUSE HIS WITH GOD IS FINITO! THIS IS A WAKE UP CALL FOR EVERYBODY….WE ALL NEED EACH OTHER. TIME TO REALIZE THAT ALL PEOPLE AND FLESH NEED JESUS AND WHEN WE THINK WE KNOW MUCH, WE MISSED SOMETHING OR WE KNOW LITTLE. EVERY TIME SOME1 MAKES IT, U DIVIDERS AND HATING HEARTED PEOPLE KILL OFF YOUR OWN SPECIES….BROTHERS AND SISTERS. WEATHER SUPPOSEDLY SAVED OR NOT, WE CANT PROSPER OR MAKE IT IN HEAVEN WITH THAT DIVIDED BODY….IM EMBARRASSES THAT U PEOPLE CAN’T SEE WHAT TIMES WE ARE LIVING IN. GOD IS SHOWING U THAT EVERY1 IS FEELING THIS DEMONIC CLOUD THAT TRIES TO HOVER OVER THE WORLD….U GUYS NEED TO PRAY FOR THE MAN AND WOMAN OF GOD. U DON’T KNOW THEM. JESUS DOES. WE ALLLLLLLLLL NEED TO KNOW GOD FOR REAL AND STOP BEING SO COMMERCIAL AND SUPERFICIAL. WE ARE ALL AT FAULT FOR THIS GENERATION. BUT U GUYS BETTER KNOW THAT IT IS POSSIBLE NOT TO FALL.
Lynn said
Why is it that whenever someone uses the Word of God to discern between what is good/evil or right/wrong (however), we are so quick to say that person is “judging”. My understanding (correct me if I’m wrong), is that the “Judge” pronounces the sentence after guilt has been established. God is therefore the only one qualified to pronounce judgement, but we have a responsibility to “rightly divide the word of truth”.
This website has been very enlightening.
TASHANA CONSTANTINE "ME" said
WE ALL NEED LOVE WHEN EVER WE FALL. THE SCRIPTURE SAYS 3 FOLDED CORD IS NOT EASILY DIVIDED AND TWO IS BETTER THAN 1 BUT WOE UNTO HIM WHEN HE FALLS HE IS BY HIMSELF……..WE TOGETHER CAN BE STRONG. U OR ME ALONE..WOE UNTO IF U FALL AND LIKE THESE PEOPLE HERE BASHING AND DESERTING OUR PEOPLE, AND THEN TALK ABOUT WINNING SOULS. WOE UNTO U THAT WHEN YOU FALL U ARE ALONE. WE CANT DO THAT AND THEN TALK ABOUT WINNING SOULS…DOESN’T MAKE SENSE. WE NEED TO PRAY FOR EVERY1 AND OURSELVES BECAUSE OUR TIME IS ALWAYS NIGH.
Lynn said
Wow! Just read your posting of Bro. Denis Thompson’s discussion around judging – awesome! thanks!
Sylvia said
I am so glad to have heard this message from the guy on the video. I want to say thanks. This has been a blessing for me to even hear about this because I didn’t know these things about Juanita and her husband. I just heard today that he put her in the hospital. I feel sorry for the both of them because I don’t think they really know what they are doing. I didn’t get his name, but this guy on the video really broke it down to me when he explained what the fruits of people’s labor really is.
Jacqueline Simpson said
GOD, FORGIVE US FOR WE DO NOT WHAT WE DO….
I was given mercy and grace when I sinned.I do not understand how we as saints of the most high GOD can be so judgemental.I am spiritually encouraged by the ministies of Prophetess Juanita Bynum, Paula White,Bishop Jakes, and other anointed men and women of the word. I am working toward maintaining a spititual life on a daily basis. But as I read these comments it bothers me.Because the word says, ” Seven times seven are we to forgive our brother.” And we are suppose to be as mercifull as God was with each us. So what happen to all that Christ like love, did we replace it with hard core worldly judgement? And leave Juanita Bynum and her husband alone. Pray for them and let God heal them.We are not judge or jury, but brothers and sisters in Christ, who are suppose to love one another as God loved the church.
Jacqueline Simpson said
GOD, FORGIVE US FOR WE DO NOT WHAT WE DO….
I was given mercy and grace when I sinned.I do not understand how we as saints of the most high GOD can be so judgemental.I am spiritually encouraged by the ministies of Prophetess Juanita Bynum, Paula White,Bishop Jakes, and other anointed men and women of the word. I am working toward maintaining a spiritual life on a daily basis. But as I read these comments it bothers me.Because the word says, ” Seven times seven are we to forgive our brother.” And we are suppose to be as mercifull as God was with each us. So what happen to all that Christ like love, did we replace it with hard core worldly judgement? And leave Juanita Bynum and her husband alone. Pray for them and let God heal them.We are not judge or jury, but brothers and sisters in Christ, who are suppose to love one another as God loved the church.
healtheland said
Jacqueline Simpson: TD Jakes does not believe in the doctrine of Trinity. If that does not concern you, when challenged on the issue he publicly lied about it, putting out a public statement to Christianity Today stating his beliefs, but in truth he was trying to deceive people into thinking that his denomination’s unitarian beliefs actually constituted a Trinity doctrine. When he was challenged about his lie, he then made the statement that “my beliefs regarding the Godhead are evolving … we need to get past these divisive doctrinal issues and concentrate on preaching the gospel … the Godhead is a mystery that none of us can understand anyway.” Which is ironic, because the “mystery of the Trinity” is one of the things that oneness preachers frequently criticize when they claim that the nature of God should be understandable by human reason. And which gospel anyway … one that teaches that God the Father died for our sins on the cross? Well that gospel would be untrue for the Bible specifically says that the Father cannot bear or even look upon sin. The oneness doctrine makes the whole Bible a liar like Jakes and those in his cult. Without the Trinity doctrine, there would have been no way for the entire Godhead to not see the corruption of sin, death, and hell. And incidentally, who was ruling creation when the oneness God was dead and in hell for three days? And not to mention that the Bible in both Daniel and in the New Testament speaks of Jesus Christ being presented before God the Father, looking at the Father face to face, and subjecting Himself to Him, and the Father glorifying Him. This whole “relationship” thing where the same person can be Father, Son, Brother, Husband, Uncle, etc. … God the Father called Jesus Christ His own Son, and Jesus Christ called God His Own Father. Yes, I am a father, husband, and son, but I am not my own father, I am not my own husband, and I am not my own son. Again, oneness doctrine makes the whole Bible a lie. Take for instance the epistles of John. They say that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit bear witness of each other in heaven and on earth. How can that be if they are the same? And please realize that God said in His own Word, in the Old Testament, that something was only true if established by two or more witnesses. Why would God violate His own Word and standard? Yet another reason why oneness doctrine makes the Bible into a liar. But speaking of liars, here are a few links where Jakes is caught in his act trying to pass himself off as a Trinitarian. Incidentally, of the prominent oneness preachers, pretty much only Noel Jones is open about it. Jakes, Weeks/Bynum, Tommy Tenney (the guy who wrote that utterly abiblical TBN movie “One Night With The King” … you know TBN has a history of hiring softcore porn actors and convicted child molestors to work on their “Christian films” to save money) and most of the others rarely mention it when in company with Trinitarian Christians, which is odd since they believe Trinitarian Christians to be polytheistic pagans. But here are the promised links on Jakes’ deceptions:
http://www.apprising.org/archives/2007/01/keeping_you_app_8.html
http://christianresearchnetwork.com/?p=2143
http://christianresearchnetwork.com/?p=1869 (which expounds on the first link)
http://christianresearchnetwork.com/?p=99
Oh, and I almost forgot: Jakes says that it is OK for Christians to practice eastern religions through yoga. Doesn’t anyone care about the First and Second Commandments anymore? http://christianresearchnetwork.com/?p=1461
http://christianresearchnetwork.com/?p=1537
If you have received inspiration from Jakes or even accepted Jesus Christ through his ministry, it is by the grace of God. But that same true God requires you to spiritually grow, which means coming out of false doctrines. I wrote about that in my entry Spam Christianity: http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2007/05/29/spam-christianity/. Please read it.
BEM said
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Mackenzie said
All of this foolishness about “don’t judge”…
Read the Scriptures. 1 Corinthians chapter 5 is clear. God judges those “outside” the church. The saints ARE to judge those sinning “in” the church.
That’s one of things wrong with the “church” today. Nobody is in a “spiritual” position to judge anybody. Because the “many” are just “having church” with no real personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Paul said, “Expel the wicked person from among you.” The “TRUE” church of Jesus Christ does not close its eyes and tolerate sinning “saints” in the assembly. According to the Scriptures, Paul said “Purge out the old leaven.”
Mackenzie said
Who REALLY cares about man’s stupid doctrines. The word “trinity,” “triune,” or any derivative of it is man-made. True followers of Jesus Christ know that He is the “Word”, “Logos” that became flesh and dwelt among us. Was crucified, died, came back from the dead HALLELUJAH! Is now seated at the right hand of God the Father and the Holy Spirit dwells IN US… IF we have received and believe Him. So who cares whether or not anybody believes in a word that appears no where in the Scriptures??? This is just another device of satan to cause confusion and division in the Body of Christ. However, it is NOT POSSIBLE to deceive the “Elect,” according the Mark 13:22…
Victory said
Its very sad about Weeks and Bynum, truly they had some issues even before the beating. Just wondering if either one of them bothered to follow their own advice they hav be giving married couples. I DONT UNDERSTAND THE JUDGE NOT MY ANNOINTED, but I do understand judge those by the fruits of their works. QUESTION: Would you take the advice about how to have a good marriage from two people on the brink of divorcing? (just a thought.)
Messenger Beloved said
All things are not complicated…as it is here, and in the temple, believers keep up lots of confusion. There is a right way to file this denigration against those you speak of…if there was not some offense at the wealth, at the teaching…at the revelations…at the wisdom given them, this discussion will have never taken place uncover something that is potentially not right…deception begins in the heart of a deceiver…and deceivers ammonition is to make others look like deceivers…as a Christian, if these men/women had indeed offended, then let us who are mature go to them and express that offense in a manner that is pleasing to God…if they are not willing to hear, then take a witness of two or three and let EVERY WORD…EVERY ACCUSATION…EVERY TRUTH be establised…it so simple…yet we move on writing in on the internet when the scriptures tells us to go to them and take WITNESSES…who cares what they believe, be that you are offended at what they believe and what they preach moderator of this site and your other sites…GO TO THEM and TAKE YOUR WITNESSES…then you will have filfilled the Scriptures…all this talk her does NOTHING…it is of no VALUE…you have become just like those you speak about…TAKE YOUR WITNESSES and let EVERY ACCUSATION adn EVERY TRUTH be established
healtheland said
Mackenzie:
The word Trinity is man – made? Yes, but the doctrine is in the Bible. All they did was make up a name to describe the doctrine. Look, you folks are going through great lengths to defend a cult that A) was rejected as heresy by the early church in the second century and B) was not reborn again until 1913, and a bunch of people who won’t even come out in public and admit that they believe that the Bible is a liar and most Christians are pagan polytheists. Standards have to exist. If you try to have it both ways, accept everybody, and believe in everything, then you have no beliefs. You believe in nothing. You speak such nonsense about “who cares about stupid doctrines anyway” because you have no answers for my challenges. There is no answer for how Jesus Christ could have been presented before His Father after the resurrection AND in Daniel. That is in the Bible. There is no answer for how the Holy Spirit descended from Heaven and the Father spoke while Jesus Christ was getting baptized on earth. That is in the Bible. There is no answer for how the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit can bear witness for each other in heaven and on earth if they are the same, and are mere aliases for each other. That is in the Bible. There is no answer for how the Father turned His face away from Jesus Christ when He was dying for your sins on the cross, and to whom Jesus Christ cried “Why have you forsaken me.” There is no answer for the messianic prophecy of David “My Lord said unto my God ’sit thou upon my right hand until thine enemies are made thy footstool.” There is no answer for who Jesus Christ was praying to (or why He needed to pray at all), to whom Jesus Christ was speaking of when He said “I will return to be with My Father” (He didn’t say “I will return to BE my Father but to go be WITH My Father) or how once He returned to His Father He would send the Holy Spirit (He did not say “I will return AS the Holy Spirit, but rather that He would send the Holy Spirit). John 14:16 blows this entire nonsense out of the water, because it says I WILL SEND ANOTHER to you. How could the Holy Spirit be ANOTHER if Christ and the Holy Spirit the same? Or what about when the Pharisees asked Christ why His disciples did not fast? Christ replied that there is no reason to fast while He was with them, but after He was taken away, then they would fast! Well, they obviously continued to fast after the Holy Spirit came. If Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are the same, then why were they still fasting in Acts after Pentecost?
When you are calling TRUE DOCTRINES that reveal THE TRUTH OF THE BIBLE to you DUMB, you are calling the BIBLE dumb. That is BLASPHEMY AGAINST GOD’S WORD. Now according to the oneness doctrine that liar Jakes and these other coward preachers like Bynum and Weeks won’t even publicly tell you that they believe, you have just committed the unforgiveable sin, because if Jesus Christ, the Father, and the Holy Spirit are the same, then by blaspheming the Word of God you also blaspheme the Holy Ghost! Right? This is why doctrine matters. And this is also why you will NEVER hear anything resembling real doctrine from these famous preachers. And you say that doctrine is unimportant, made by man? Well then why does the Bible mention doctrine 55 times? Proverbs 4:2 For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law.
Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Romans 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
1 Corinthians 14:6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine? 1 Timothy 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine. And the one that really exposes your utter foolishness is 2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. You know what 2 Timothy 3:16? THAT SCRIPTURE IS APPROPRIATE FOR MAN TO USE TO CREATE DOCTRINES TO USE TO TEACH OTHERS. SO WHEN MAN CREATED THE TRINITY DOCTRINE AND ALL OF THESE OTHER “MAN – MADE” DOCTRINES THAT CHRISTIANITY RESTS UPON, THEY WERE USING THE AUTHORITY GIVEN TO THEM IN 2 Timothy 3:16!
But it is dumb to you, right? I will tell you why it is dumb to you. You reject that which is real, honest, true … things that have been tried and tested, in order to follow after these carnival acts. That is what you want: to be entertained. These people are very skilled orators. They parade themselves around in designer suits and expensive jewelry with their luxury cars, huge houses, and private jets (and they even lie on scripture claiming that Jesus Christ was rich in order to justify it … Jesus Christ had to work a miracle to get a coin from the mouth of a fish to pay taxes; men and women had to work very hard to support Jesus Christ during His ministry). And most of all, they manipulate your emotions. Well Jesus Christ and His disciples were not manipulative sideshow parlor trick acts, and neither is anyone who follows after Him. You have rejected the truth of what the Bible clearly says in order to follow after celebrities. Preachers are the new movie stars. As if Denzel Washington, Halle Berry, and Beyonce are not enough for you that you need a celebrity speaking lies from the pulpit instead of a servant challenging you with the truth. Like Jesus Christ said in the gospels … a person comes in the Name of God gets rejected, but the person who comes in his own name, he you will accept. And I repeat: all this in defense of a man who TOLD A BOLDFACE LIE, AND WILL NOT ADMIT THAT HE LIED, LET ALONE REPENT OF IT. So what, lying is OK if you have a megachurch? So is telling your congregation to go practice yoga? So I suppose that the regular pastor with the storefront are the ones that have to actually obey the Bible. Sound doctrine and obedience to the Bible are for the little people: the poor? I understand now. Well you folks who are willing to follow these rich young rulers who justify themselves with works and refuse to sell all they have and give it to the poor to follow Christ, I think that I will forsake all that to remain a little poor person so that I can have my treasure stored up for me in heaven. It will be me, the common folk, the martyrs, and everyone else who actually dared to believe and keep what the scriptures actually say. As for all of you folks who will not separate yourselves from the the liars, thieves, scam artists like Simon the magician (though I believe that he was ultimately saved) and the seven sons of Sceva, we will see how Revelation 2 and 3 will be applied to you. Here are those warnings right here. Read them if you like. Or maybe you think those are stupid doctrines too. http://bible.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=Revelation+2+-+3§ion=0&version=kjv&new=1&oq=&NavBook=re&NavGo=3&NavCurrentChapter=3
Lady and Lover of The Lord said
May the Lord forgive and bless us all. I pray for divine provision for Prophetess and Bishop during this time. May the Lord minister to there hearts and heal the hurts in the name of Jesus. As brother’s and sister’s in Christ Jesus, lets us pray for peace and the will of the Lord as in all things.
Michelle said
I feel that this is very awful, but i just don’t understand why would a man of god do this to his wife but god heals all wounds and i hope this is one that he can lay his hands of for healing.
Charles said
Especially to Michelle: It saddens me greatly that some of my Black Brothers and Sisters are so hungry for the Lord that often times they are so trusting of “Wolves in Sheep clothing” that Bible warns us against. Often times we are not prepared to do even the most basic research, rather, we believe some of these silver tongued devils because they are Black and can turn a phrase. Jakes, Dollar, Bynum and Weeks have a special place reserved for them “on that day. In this age of internet and the web, there is no excuse as to why there are so many that believe these people who are after your money, and your money alone. There is a very good reason why Weeks stomped on Bynum: Because neither of them are seeking or following God. And to use mass media to decieve so many of God’s Children; she is lucky that a beating is all she got! When you play a game as dangerous as they are playing, they are mighty lucky that one of them did not die. Next time one might die. Stay tuned.
Cheryl said
As I scrolled through and read the things said here I just shake my head at the majority of those that responded. We are not to judge. I know that we all have our thoughts and opinions but just remember that our thoughts and ways are not God’s thoughts and ways. He did not tell us to criticize but to watch and pray, to be humble and turn from our wicked ways. If you can’t pray then just leave it alone because your thoughts, feelings attitudes, etc… will not change anything.
Ask God to turn the search light on you and examine your heart; test you to see if you are really in the faith. We all have plenty of things that we have to/need to clean up in our lives than to try to cast stones at others.
Someone feels that it is their duty to tell others that certain ones are false prophets. No where did God say to do that. You are to let your light shine, let your speak be seasoned with love. God is a gentleman and He expects us to be the same.
I started not to reply and probably won’t ever visit this site again so there is no need to try to rebut what I am saying.
I just want to say be still and know that God is God!
It is not enough to love your friends, it takes a person of God to love their enemies or those they think are their enemies.
Many blessings, much love and abundant peace!
phillip washington said
it very interested to see the understanding of our’s confess faith in christ we are all to be our brother’s keeper if we just be the evidence of the word that became fleash if we really believe the written word with our heart. we will become what we believe than we will become one in heart one in mind one in spirit and one in fellowship. then we want be disagreeing with the written word we will be thru witness’s of that word that was in the beginning with god
tessa said
Well first of all to everyone that sees this I must say greetings in the name of Jesus Christ. I am truly saddened about this situation but at the same time I can rejoice because Iknow that the devil has failed in yet another attempt to wipe out God’s people.
I would like to say to all the people who are condemning God’s people please I am asking u to stop, you are not God do not judge do not condemn because with the same measure u judge u will be judged and this will be done by God himself. U are not the one who seperates the wheat from the tares. Every tounge that rises up against the least of God’s children will be condemned in the judgement.If you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that God rose Jesus from the dead ,repent of your sins and receive the Holy Ghost u r saved no matter what denomination u are it is Jesus christ that saves. By his deeds shall a man be known, people make mistakes what is the greater report of Juanita Bynum is it good or bad what of her husband. So far it has been good. We have grace,Jesus forgives. Christ is our righteousness, stop condemning your fellow brethren in Christ,u have been warned.God Bless you all.
Deaconess1 said
Healtheland,
I commend you my brother. I feel your passion to convince the wayward and to get us from in front of that television and into our Bibles. God gives us 24 hours. What? We can’t give him one or two to really “acknowledge him in all of our ways”? James said “if a man lacks wisdom, let him ask” Keep up the good work. May the Lord continue to bless you as you grow in him.
Get off Enfamil people—Regardless of what the vegetarian of the word says, a little meat is ok.
Charles Hart said
I am reading various thoughts expressed by readers and still can’t understand the “don’t judge” gimmick. There is a need for us to be warned, not judged if we are falling short. That is the comfort involved with brothers and sisters in Christ because sometimes we can not see our faults because of our flesh. It says in the Bible that God spirit does not always dwell with man. I thank God for my wife who knows me and cares enough to say something when I am straying (church attendance,praying,faith,health). I get defensive at times because of the way she says it, but not what she says. The same way we sometimes are convicted by the Bible, but just blow it off on as “Jesus put it on the Cross”. God destroyed the earth once and saved only 8 people. His mercy is displayed with our every breath. So how can we keep this defensive mode in place? I don’t judge Eve because she did not know the difference between good and evil, she could not identify the devil for who he was, and was created as the weaker vessel. But she was punished as women still are punished today because she did not obey God’s words.There were no innocent parties.God sent his son to die for us to have another chance. The devil uses the campaign which is toward our natural weaknesses. Greed, power, attractive things in places we should not be. Intelligence has increased drastically as the Bible said it would in the last days. But the word of God does not change, neither does the devil’s traps. I would rather be judged so I can have the chance to repent, or get exposed so that I can correct my mistakes before God and not men. There is no perfect man or woman, but the stakes are high (eternal) and if I fall please chastise me Lord if my brother will not. The brother and his wife would benefit if people would stop praising them and praise God and his son Jesus because we will all stand alone for judgement.
JohnBoy said
Man, you people are really in denial. Weeks takes money from gullible people who are lonely and frightened, and he also beats women. Fact is that he belongs in jail. He obviously hates women. How else does one describe such behavior? It is NEVER excusable. Weeks = Michael Vicks, same mentality.
Anyone who worships a televangelist needs to start thinking of more productive and better ways to spend all that energy. If you have to pray, please pray for the planet, and help us avoid or minimize global warming. Pray for the children. Pray for God’s creatures, the endangered species that the Bush administration has been impacting. Pray for yourselves because you are so ignorant and insensitive and intolerant of others, causing everyone in Europe and Asia to hate Americans. Better yet, stop praying and start taking action. Organize a neighborhood cleanup. Volunteer at a homeless shelter. Become a Big Brother or Sister. Plant a tree. And by all means !!! — give your money to the March of Dimes or the Sierra Club or your local school For God’s sake… stop squandering your money on women-beating televangelists who surely say to themselves while examining each days’ receipts” “There’s one born every minute!”
Ashley Cousain said
Blessed be the name of our Lord and Savior. I come to just say a word to God’s people and those who believed in her. We know that she is a powerful woman of God and many look up to her. God is bringing her to a new level and He must make sure that she is equipped. Some how the husband allowed the enemy to come in and put something there that did not belong. I truly beleive that she will get up and continue to walk in her destiny. To encourage all the saints of God it is time that we put on the whole armor of God because this is real the devil is busy and we mus be in warfare for our friends and love ones. Saints we must stay praying and continue to seek God for direction. Watch and pray, again I say, WATCH and PRAY. (don’t be so quick to judge)
CTaylor said
Healthland, How can we let our light shine before men that they may glorify our Father which in heaven if we can’t stop fighting.I don’t know about anyone else. My GOD is not a GOD of confussion.HE is love. Those that follow Him must walk in love.How can we show people the spirit of JESUS if we carry on as the world? Always fighting and slanging mud at each other.Be very careful when you point your fingar.GODs is bigger.For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged.Did you try falling on your knees, fasting, and crying out to GOD for these people? My GOD does not slang mud at people. HE is faithful and just( if we confess our sins) He will forgive us.1joh1:9.HE said that we are to love one another as HE loved us.Joh15:12.So tell me something.How do you think JESUS feels right now? He took (our) sins upon hisself that we may live.All that HE has done.How do you think that this makes HIM feel? BE CAREFUL!!As for anyone that wants to take away from HIS word. GOD says:And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, I shall take away his part out of the book of life,and out of the holy city,and from the things which are written in this book.To GOD be the judge. After all HE is the only rightous judge.I pray for everyone that comes acrose this website.Remember the eyes are the window to the soul.I also pray for all of my brothers and sisters in Christ.We need to guard what has been given to us.And lets pray for the men and women of GOD everywhere.The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.We have all fallin short.If this has happen, pray that our brothers and sisters come to themselves and repeat.Ask your self.What would have happened if GOD kicked us when we fell down?Where if He didn’t give us all the chances that HE has? Where would you be?Rich or poor.We all need help sometimes. God Bless you all.
robin said
SWEETHART YOU R EXACTLY RIGHT! Jesus did! He exposed them. Now I could go on for day’s , weeks and years in battle with this, especially with the word of God as my light. But I tell you what I FULLY BELIEVE IN MY GOD JEHOVAH, MY PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS AND I KNOW THAT I AM LEAD BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. WHAT I KNOW IS THAT I HAVE BEEN ANOINTED TO DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER AND I SAM PREPARING TO DO SO. BECAUSE CONTRARY TO POPULAR BELIEF THE devil don’t care about no color, money or religion. So why some of us waste precious kingdom time wrapped in confusion about who is right in the word or who is wrong there is a spiritual warfare going on. And guess what this confusion is? so with that said see ya and wouldn’t want to be ya and i’m still gone pray for ya tonight and until my course is finished ON THIS EARTH THAT MY FATHER GAVE TO US. God bless, AND MAYhis peace and his love REMIAN forever TO ALL.
Mackenzie said
Healtheland:
First of all, I don’t know what cult you are referring to. I don’t recall speaking about a cult. Maybe you have confused me with someone else. I said the word “trinity” appears no where in the Scriptures and I now say thatyou speak as a fool.
What is nonsense, is this ignorant statement made by you:
“All they did was make up a name to describe the doctrine.”
Well who is they??? All they did was…???
So I guess you think the Holy Spirit needs “they’re” help??? How ridiculous…
You are so hung up on denominations, you have no idea that satan is using you and laughing at you. Denominations are not Scriptural either. The standard is Jesus Christ, Him Crucified and Raised from the dead, which is exactly what the apostles taught as well. I support Jesus Christ and Him only. The Scriptures are clear, the Gospel is about Jesus Christ and Him crucified. Not you, your challenges or whatever else you want to call your divisive rhetoric.
I embrace Jesus Christ, God the Father and His Holy Spirit. It makes no difference to me what you call Him. But you need to say what the Scriptures say. Not what the world, your flesh and the devil have taught you. You will be held accountable for every idle word. You are so hell-bent on looking for someone to argue with or challenge you, that you don’t even realize we are in agreement. I just choose to address my Father God, my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and His Holy Spirit as the Scriptures do… the Scriptural doctrine is God the Father, Jesus Christ His Son and the Holy Spirit of God… you choose to call HIM what man has taught you. Try saying what the Scriptures say and stop trying to bring further division to the Body of Christ with the foolishness you learned in a church or a book… I guess…
Keep it up, following traditions of men. You know you WILL reap what you sow…
“Mans and demons foolish, stupid doctrine” HAS NEVER AND WILL NEVER teach the Truths of Scripture. You are deceived. The Holy Spirit is The Teacher. TRUE DOCTRINE is what the Scriptures say, period. If you or anybody preaches or teaches a different gospel than what the apostles preached, they and you are accursed, according to the Scriptures. The gospel you preach is according to man and will come to naught.
Sorry to disappoint you “DivideTheLand” but I don’t argue the Scriptures. THEY ARE TRUTH and LIFE!!! However, when you twist them to make up your own doctrine, then it is manifest whom you really serve, and it IS NOT the God of the Holy Scriptures… satan, THE LORD rebuke you.
stephen b said
Mackenzie,
Wow, juanita bynum teaches women to pray in tongues while administering oral sex and she demonstrates this with a microphone….you know The Lord’s judgment has fallen on JB although I don’t believe it was bishop weeks place to execute that judgment….This lady is in far worse condition than I thought but I would like a reference(date,time, place etc) to your experience at this oral sex meeting she was conducting. I do believe your story anyway though!
Daughter walking-n-destiny said
People, Children of God, Saints, others, please let us keep in mind that our God is a God of peace, love, forgiveness and compassion to name a few. From what I have read here tonight, I see that the enemy (whatever u want to label him) is in the business of division. We are very familiar with the phrase, ” A house divided will not stand”. This is the type of situation that the devil who comes to STEAL, KILL and DESTROY uses to overcome the strongman. Or at least those who think they are. We can find any excuse to side with or against the Weeks, but if we are truly followers of Christ, we would be spending time saying let us pray for them rather than if what happened should or should not have taken place. Mockers of men and women of God is spoken of in Jude, as well as, vs. 21 “Keep yourselves in the the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life” Our eternal life, not theirs. We are accountable for our own sins and not those of our sisters and brothers. Those of you that keep out of church because of this but still say you pray, continue to do so and remember that we were created for God’s purpose and submitting to His Holy will, which means encouraging others to come to Christ. Don’t be like the servant who was given a talent and hid it instead of investing into God’s kingdom thinking that would please God. For the Bible says, “without faith, it is impossible to please God and faith without WORKS is dead!” So lets lift each other up in the name of JESUS and remember to place a mirror before our own faces daily when it comes to saying who is false and who is real. The scriptures tells us to try the Spirit by the Spirit, so those who are truly filled with the Holy Ghost will know what I am talking about. Don’t waste your time debating on religion, but in developing a relationship with Christ that will teach you how to treat people like YOU want to be treated. Again, God is about PEACE, LOVE, FORGIVENESS AND COMPASSION not grudgefullness, unsympathetic, and argumentative. Everyone needs prayer no matter what level they are in God.
Daughter walking-n-destiny said
LET US PRAY FOR EACH OTHER NO MATTER WHETHER YOU BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE REAL OR NOT. JESUS DID FOR THOSE WHO CRUCIFIED HIM. SO PLACE THE MIRROR IN FRONT OF OURSELVES DAILY TO REMIND US THAT NO ONE IS EXEMPT FROM THE ENEMY (WHATEVER U WANT TO CALL HIM), TRYING TO KILL, STEAL OR DESTROY OUR LIVES. Jude 21 states, “Keep yourselves in the LOVE of God, looking for the MERCY of our Lord Jesus Christ unto ETERNAL life”. Treat people like we want to be treated and you will be able to follow God’s commandments and Jesus’s word, Mark 11:25, “And when you stand praying, forgive, if you have aught against any; that your Father also which is in Heaven may forvive you your trespasses.” We wrestle with flesh daily, but the true battle is within the spiritual realm against the followers of darkness. Pray for love, peace, compassion and true understanding of the word of God for yourself.
Lady Advocate said
Thank you Healtheland!!! I just want everyone to wake up and realize what is going on. Stop drinking the sand people please!
Lady Advocate said
I just want everyone to wake up and realize what is going on. Bynum is an excellent orator but not a Prophetess. Stop drinking the sand people please!
CTaylor said
Charles Hart,
You say that you do not know where this “Don’t judge gimmick came from”.It came from you. My, what a window of confession you have open.And I don’t know about yours but my God is not a God of confession.I want you to know that I love you and I am praying for you.I pray that you will undrestand that talking about people is not the way that children of God handle things.Did you go to these people and talk with them as Jesus would? Did you fast,pray, and cry out to God on their behalf. I am not trying to slang mud at anyone,but we need to pray first and talk later.Or you helping, or hurting the situation? Remember Saul ( before God changed his name to Paul) thought that he was helping God too.You are right about one thing. Sometimes we can’t see our own faults.I’m praying for you. God bless you.
Charles Hart said
C Taylor I am sorry that I came the wrong way with the gimmick statement, but what makes me see it that way is that even the Bible refers to those who will say they have walked in the Lord and he will say he does not know you. (not you specifically). What I am trying to say is that Jim Jones was a man who spoke the word (I have heard some of his early sermons) but as people looked upon him in awe, the devil took hold. And some people rejected his actions as being ungodly. There are many of his followers who were brainwashed and are now dead. Should we judge him? Judas was a disciple, but betrayed Jesus. Should we Judge him? What we should do is learn from the mistakes and shortcomings of others, and identify the evil for who he is. The very elect will be fooled in the last days. The prophecy is being fulfilled daily, as the devil distracts his watchman with words of peace. Jesus himself said he did not come to bring peace, but the sword. As time goes on the Holy Spirit will expose the devil for who he is, but if you don’t have the spirit it will be impossible to discern good and evil. God Bless and test the spirit.
SILVER SAGE said
Did any one hear JohnBoy ? What is wrong with you people, cant you see God is showing you something. It is time to stop following after these so called saints, and show love to people in need.Your time is short on this earth,and you have been called.
CTaylor said
Charles Hart,
I hear you, and I know why Jesus came.But have you took the time to read some of the comments on this page?It just saddens me to see this turn of events.You seem to know your bible very well.Do you recall when they said that Jesus had a devil? What did He say?Are we for him or against Him?Are you helping or hurting the situation? Just think for a minute.Look back on some of these comments, and then answer.Just as you said”the Holy Spirit will expose the devil as time goes by”.If the spirit lives in you.And the spirit lives within me.Then we will know.Do you think that this is the time for you to do what you are doing? Have you talked to Jesus about this? Did He approve?It is not us and other people being judged togather.It is every man for hisself.Jesus will be here very soon.He is the only perfect one that can settle all of this.He is doing it even now.Is there time to sit her and talk about people?David wouldn’t even go this far. Even though Saul went after David and tried to kill him.He wouldn’t touch Saul. What did David say? Do you know? Be careful!If a person says God called them ,or God saved them.Who are we to say other wise. What did Jesus say? I know my what? And they know my what?As you said ” the Holy spirit will expose…”So pray and let God handle this.Trust me He is better at it.And He know what He is doing.Do you think that everyone on this page is of God?I know that Jesus wouldn’t have handled this like this.What do you think? We have to be careful!!God bless you all.
healtheland said
CTaylor: Sorry to intrude, but consider the distinct possibility that Juanita Bynum and Thomas Weeks III were never called to the ministry. That would make them not like Saul, God’s anointed whom we are not to touch, but like Jezebel and Attaliah, usurpers who never had any business in their positions to begin with. So where David refused to kill Saul, the Israelites had no problem killing Attaliah and Jezebel at the first opportunity. We ought to be able to apply scripture to the theology, doctrine, and behavior of Bynum, Weeks III, and any other pastor. If they do not measure up, then they are false preachers, and should be treated as such. In that way, we are not judging them, but scripture is doing so. Take away our ability to hold people against the standard of scripture, and what do we have? Should we presume them to be men and women of God merely because they say that they are? Because they have a church? Because they were ordained by a denomination? I have seen some very disturbing statements even before Weeks III’s alleged battery of and verbal threats to kill his spouse caused this current deluge of comments: statements to the effect that we should either still support or decline to oppose Weeks III and Bryant virtually no matter what they preach or do. That we should allow them to do what they want and people to follow them if they choose. I ask of you: what would it take for these people to stop following or supporting or defending a person?
Noble J. said
We must put our hope and total trust in Jesus Christ and not a man. It’s nothing wrong with supporting the ministry of christ but sometimes people for get about the christ and geer more toward man himself.
Sharon said
Messenger Beloved and all others that are veiwing this message board . We all know how good God is and we don’t want to speak about anyone without knowing truth ( but we do ). We have to keep them in prayer no matter if they are false teacher of the Word or the real thing.We are people that will make the wrong choice in our life sooner or later . There should never be a time where a man should put his hands on a female no matter how angery he is and also there should be a time when a female should know when to walk away . They both was wrong in this matter . I myself attended TBN studio on Tuesday and i to saw how Jaunita was changing right before my very eyes. From the time I first heard Jaunita preach on T.V. it blew my mind because I have never her a women preach the way she did and it caught my attention so I begain to follow her when she came to TBN to host the show . Over the months as more people notice her I began to see how she became more worldly than this great pastor I first saw .I found myself going to TBN not to hear the word but to see how she had started dressing and so on. It did not last long I’m not sure what she were thinking but it came to a hault just as fast as she had change before my eyes. I myself notice when the 2007 Women On The Front Line Conference the day before it ended how Jaunita was preaching and how angery she was and how she was going back and forward across the stage that she had something on her heart and that was the place she was going to say what she had to say and no one was going to stop her because the show was live. Jaunita did mention about the rummor about her and her husband was having problems and she begain to lash out about things that was not about the conference.I could not believe my ears in what I was hearing.I said to myself do these people hear what I was hearing.As the carama went across the stage I saw Jaunita father-n-law standing as first as he was cheering for her at first then there was a quick glimps of her husband Thomas lll and he did not look to please in what was being said.Jaunita left the stage and went down to where the people were and told them that-that this conference wasn’t about them but it was all about Jaunita and the next level God had called to.On the last day of the conference I caught the last 40 min of as they singing and the camara follower Jaunita across the stage I did not see neither of the ( Weeks) men there.I don’t know if there was a problem in their marriage before I really don’t want to know I just pray they are the people of God they lead people to believe they are . And I say {THIS TO SHALL PASS}. Remember everyone we ALL make mistakes and we ALL can recover from them.The Devil is busy and he wants us to judge them and spread rummors of things we don’t know is the truth. Keep them and all of the people who go through violence in there life in prayer.Lord oh precious Lord please open my heart to know Your Word is true,open up my ears to hear the wonderful words of Yours,open up my mind to get a perfect understanding of Your Word,open my mouth for me to spread the gospel of the Living God,close my eyes to whom I’m speaking so I want judge them,open my arms so I can embrace everyone who I come in contact with,Lord I am worthless,I am nothing I’m willing to serve You as long as I have breath in my body and I will glorify for all of my days left. Thank You , Jesus Christ for all You have done for me. Amen
Sharon said
Today at church we had a guest to come in and she sung a song that really touch my heart and it got me to thinking . We as people judge before all the evidents is persented . And we fail to remember that we are humans and not devine like Jesus .We are going to make mistake til the day we die and then there to we will still be trying to aruge the point why we have to die .The song the person sung was “Lord I must be too close to the mirror to see what you see in me “. It got to be some truth in that song because I know that I’m a sinner and I will keep on sin even if its on purpose or unknowning I’m gonna to sin and I don’t know why He loves me so. Because I guess I am too close to the mirror to see what He see in a sinner like me. That tells me how much my Father loves me because He know I know who I really am .
CTaylor said
Healthland,
Did God tell you any of this?Are you a child of God?Is everyone on TV false?Are you false? Is every preacher on this earth false?The world says so. Because the world is negative.You do realize that everything that you said about them can be Said about you. I have heard it said that negative people are not hangin out with God.Not that they aren’t of God but just that they haven’t been hangin with Him.Because He is not negative.Not what you say. How you say it. Not your point. But how it comes across.So you started this? Well God gave us a mind.And He allows US to choose.So after you have spoken your part. What should you do? Gods word will always stand.So there is no need to battle about it.So with that I will say: I love you, and I am praying for you.In do time God WILL correct All wrong>Not you.Not me.
healtheland said
CTaylor: Yes, God did tell me this. You know where? In the BIBLE. The BIBLE lays out correct doctrine. The BIBLE tells us how churches are supposed to be governed and how church officers are supposed to conduct themselves. Your problem is not with me, but with the BIBLE.
And where on earth did I say that every preacher on TV is false? You exhibit the same problem that the overwhelming majority of visitors to this site do. I have less than 100, indeed less than 90 entries on here about false preachers. I have HUNDREDS of entries on here from good ones: HUNDREDS, almost 1000. Instead of being edified by the HUNDREDS of entries on this weblog from good preachers, everyone wants to come on here and defend the ones who preach doctrines and have lifestyles that obviously contradict the Bible.
And you can keep on trying to make a God in your own image if you want. Jesus Christ said that the way was hard and narrow and the gate is strait. He also spoke of people who did great works in His Name being called goats, saying “I never knew you” and being cast into the outer darkness. He talked about the unprofitable servant who did not use what was given to him profitably and was cast into outer darkness. He talked about what would happen to the churches in Revelation 2 and 3 if they did not change their evil ways. Jesus Christ’s statements in these instances were not to the world; they were to the people of God who refused to submit to Him. So why on earth are you denying the truth? And no, we are not called to just allow false preachers and doctrines to proliferate unopposed while waiting on God to come sort it out. We are to stand for the faith and defend it, and to keep people from following false teachers.
Have you taken a course on Bible history, or even read about it on the Internet? Seriously. During the time the New Testament was written and for quite awhile thereafter, there were lots of false gospels and epistles circulating, as well as a ton of false movements. Now Paul and John actually referenced a lot of these in the New Testament, but it went on for over 200 years afterwards. The early church had to determine which epistles and gospels were legitimate and which were not, they had to determine which doctrines were legitimate and which were not. They had to expose the heretics, liars, and blasphemers for what they were. That is why I have a link on the main page to one of the main works from that period by Irenaues, http://healtheland.bravehost.com/Docs/IRENAUES_AGAINST_HERESIES/menu.htm. And their work was not only important back then, but it is still important today. Right now you have a bunch of liars claiming that the deity of Jesus Christ was not invented until 400 AD. Well, you had people in the 1st and 2nd century who denied that Jesus Christ was fully God and fully man too. It is because of the writings of people who living in that time opposed the heretics and blasphemers in their day that we are able to prove that people like Dan “The Da Vinci Code” Brown are liars. You know, according to your standard, I shouldn’t even be able to oppose Dan Brown, who denies the deity, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, because Brown, who views Christianity as politics, ethics, and philosophy (though he does also profess belief in a deity) calls himself a Christian. Lots of people deny the deity, virgin birth, and resurrection of Jesus Christ and call themselves Christians, and they are in a lot of church pulpits and they teach in a great many seminaries. A lot of them do not openly admit their lack of faith before their students or congregations, yet they preach and teach and poison people with their doctrines. So, would I be wrong to expose these people and say that they have no business teaching at a seminary or pastoring or preaching at a church? If I am not wrong for doing that, then what is wrong with talking about someone whose doctrine and lifestyle opposes scripture? Timothy clearly says that preaching that godliness is gain (that the aim or result of the gospel is riches, the prosperity doctrine) is apostasy. He says it plain as day. I sent that scripture to a leading prosperity teacher in an email, and he replied with a bunch of out of context Old Testament scriptures, avoiding the entire question. Here it goes right here: http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2007/04/23/a-prosperity-teacher-responds-to-my-challenge/.
CTaylor, please understand this: there is a war going on between good and evil. I am not one of those “the rapture may happen before I finish this sermon” John Hagee types (who actually “prophesied” that the United States and Israel would attack Iran in 2006, leading to the rapture in 2007 or 2008) but time is running short. As we get closer to the end, Satan and those owned by him are going to get ever more bold, more depraved, and more effective at blinding people and tormenting the saints. Now more than ever before, Christians need to demand the correct doctrine and the correct practice that comes out of that doctrine from the pastors AND the members. God told us what to believe and how to behave; it is all in His Bible. Anyone who advocates disobedience to the Bible in themselves or anyone else isn’t trying to please God; they are trying to please themselves.
BOB said
AWESOME THREAD !
TOOK 2 HOURS TO READ-
WHOLE PURPOSE FOR THE INTERNET IS THE WORLD VIEWING OF THE ANTI CHRIST’S WOUND TO BE WITNESSED-
EVERYTHING ELSE IS FAST BUSINESS & CONJECTURE- SEE YA ALL UPSTAIRS!
Darren said
Firstly let me explain that there is a differenve between failure and falling. Failure would suggest that the person at least attemped to do the right, honourable and righteous thing.
Falling is a different thing all together; Lucifer fell from heaven; Paul fell to the ground after he encountered the risen Lord on thje road to Damascus. These people are not trying to do the right thing; their seducers, hypocrites; workers of iniquity. And their definitrly out to get the money of every sucker out there. For their fans I’m not here to attack them; but I love Jesus Christ and the Spirit of God in scipture admonishes us to defend the truth of the Gospel.
Thomas Weeks is not a minister of the Gospel of the lord Jesus Christ; If he was he would preach the Gospel (christ and him cruxified) and not carnal sex programs. He is a defiler and a pervert. and has not the Spirit Of the Lord Jesus. He is a Bishop!!!. He is a bishop of carnality who is leading carnal christians not to the cross of calvary but to the inner suncuam of hell.
My heart does go out to juanita. I’m sure at one time she walked with God; But she has been lead astray by greed and celebrity. I hope that in these terrible days that she going through. She will step away from the television persona and throw herself at the fett of the Lord Jesus. And repent for abusing the scriptures and people of God. And preach christ; not prosperity, not carnality. She is not a judge, they finished in the old testament. If she is a judge, she is one of carnality.Look at her conferences. I saw one recently with big posters of her at the back of the pulpit. This is as bad as idols of mary in the temples of the antichrist.
When will the church of america repent of her idolatory to these people. John said the axe even now lays at the root of the tree. Repent and show fruits to meet with repentance
helen said
I disagree with what you said. Juanita, was changed by the holy spirit. When i first saw her i know God was using her we cannot judge her. She is blessed, and you know what, this incident is not going to stop her blessings. And the mind that she has for christ will make her stronger. One thing i know what God have for you it is for you. Bless the name of Jesus. I don’t know anything about her husband. Soi have nothing to say about him. Our tongue and thoughts will get us into trouble.
I pray for them.
PEACE!
healtheland said
Helen: Amazing how everyone is using the “we cannot judge” lie. Either you all are reading from the same script, following the same doctrine (which is not even the historic Pentecostal doctrine which was all about strict observance of the Bible; I know because I grew up in it and did not learn anything about grace or forgiveness until I left), or have the same spirit. As for “Juanita, was changed by the holy spirit” see this comment:
“Jesus also confronted and exposed the religious hypocrites of His day. Those with a form of religion, but denying the power thereof. As far as the teachings of the Ms. Bynum, I had quite a few occasions to be a part of their “Show” when they were in Maryland. I had quite enough when Ms. Bynum gave the siters in Christ marital advice and began to show us how to speak in tongues while giving our husbands oral sex, like she apparently did… All the while using the microphone as a substitute male organ… Okay… where’s the Scripture for that…??? Please… the devil is a liar.” This was not produced by me, for I did not even know that informaton. It is this comment: http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/any-fans-of-juanita-bynum-and-bishop-weeks-out-there/#comment-9674 ! This is information that I do not know. Now tell me, Helen, what preacher of Christ would mock Jesus Christ teach that?
Carolyn said
@ Helen: Would you be so quick to say “judge not” if the wife-beater in question was Ike Turner or someone else without a Christian persona?
Darren said
Helen what do you mean by our mouths will get us into trouble. David said I am a man of peace, but when I open my mouth it is for war. the Lord himself said those that live by the sword will die by the sword. Do you love Juanita Bynum more than christ.
god did not call us to defend men, but to preach and defend the Word of God. The problem with carnal christianity is that it abhors anyone with and investigative (discerning) mind).
Therefore I ask you; how do you know God was using her; he also used the rebellious money and stardom grabbing prophet balaam to bless the children o god.
healtheland said
Carolyn: Actually, a great many Christians probably would. So many people – Christians included – will defend a celebrity no matter what he or she does. It is a sign of the world that we are living in these days.
Charles D. said
Cheryl you are so far off-base with your comment that “He” (presumably meaning God); did not tell us to criticize but to watch and pray. You go on to say “if you can’t pray then just leave it alone.” You further go on to say that that “someone feels that it is their duty to tell others that certain ones are false prophets. No where did God say that.” Finally, to insulate yourself, from your obvious Bible ignorance by saying that you won’t ever visit this site again so there is no need to try to rebut what I am saying.”
Starting with the last point first, you will most definitely visit this site after saying what you said, if for no other reason than to inspect what you had written. That is a sign of insecurity so large one could drive a truck through it. It also says much about you in ways that you would not believe. I pray that God grants you the power of your convictions, without which you cannot effectively spread the Gospel and “He did command you to do that.
God did in fact say watch as well as pray; however, the way in which you use the phrase is taken completely out of context. He was speaking about the “end times,” but also about the false prophets whom your comments seeks to protect. What about the infant Christians many of whom are not sufficiently far along to watch for those who would decieve them. Do you realize that there are sins of “ommission” as well as sins of “commission?” Please know dear heart that if you know something is wrong and you fail to warn the infant Christian; that you are guilty of a sin of ommission? Your “just leave it alone” comments are not God’s instructions to us, but rather, they are your own. In fact such makes no sense in the spiritual or secular world. In the latter, it is often said that: all it takes for tyranny to reign, is for good men to do nothing.”
My dear Cheryl, if someone in the pulpit or the pew utters that ” Jesus wants you to send me $1,000 or $100 or $50 or the $3.97 Ms. Bynum is said to have spoken on live television; and that “I dare you not to send me the $3.97!” That person is definitely not of God and is waiting on some innocent, forgiving, and uninformed listener to meet their wants and/or desires. Unfortunately, there are many similarly situated as yourself, and there will be many who send money that can afford to send the money because no one will infrom them of the dangerous, wicked people who represent evil in this world. I pray that God through the Holy Spirit will illuminate your mind and remove the veil from your spiritual eyes, that you seek His will and His will for your life in Spirit and Truth. This is my prayer for you, others, and myself.
quencina said
David knew better than to touch “God’s anointed” when he had the opportunity to kill Saul.
Pro. Juanita is highly anointed. The given gifts from Yahweh will not be taken away for they are given without repentance.
Her ministry will continue even in a greater dimension. We will stand with her in prayer and great expectation. She deserves much more money than she has. She paid the price already.
Domestic Violence is a serious case. We will cover her in prayer. Prophetess, This too shall pass. This is the end of that!
E.Bert Todd said
Dearest Quencina:
The Word of God says:
Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.Isaiah 58:1
Please watch this clip.
Please note that the behavio attributed here to ‘Prophetess’ Bynum is CRIMINAL, in that she conspired with others to conceal a crime. A crime that she then became a victim of. And you are right, they are without repentance…
maryd said
there is a song that say (god did not give up on me) for the most of you saints of god, where is the love, none of you have a heaven or hell to put these people in. there is none perfect but the father. it was grace and mercy that kept you,some of you are doing things now! and yet you sit around pointing your finger at someone, were is the compassion, you evil and wicked generational people.god got this,you want god to forgive you in all of your wrong doing, and you cant forgive other of their wrong doing, we make mistake, we make bad decision and we want other to love and understand our struggles.than learn to be more loving, more forgiving. i tell you for those of you who have put your mouth on this man and woman of god,have mercy on you! have mercy on you!
Mike said
Maryd, the difference is that none of us are claiming to be annointed or prophetesses. If that were not so, this thread would not exist. You people have taken your eyes off God and live vicariously through the lives of these people. It is no wonder you continue to support them even in face of all the all the evidence.
For all other supporters, before you start quoting Saul and David from the old testament. please understand that the old testament was God’s covenant relationship with the Israelites leading up to Christ our saviour. The new testament is the covenant relationship that God has provided for all of us. It is the only covenant that counts. Can we agree to judge or not to judge our leaders against the standards the new testament has set for us?
Lois said
Listen everyone, U have 2 much time on your hands to be continuing this thread one week after the public announcement, since u have this time read Romans 13…this is not about whether or not they should stand up or sit down this is a matter that needs to be tried in our courts of law, not in the courts of your church or the courts of your own personal beliefs…give me a break…this thread is not your purpose in life and I will even stretch by saying someone has taken an unnecessary detour on the way to your destination…this is not your destiny, leave it alone…take this time to concentrate as well as focus on your own lives and the lives that you are responsible for…if Jesus came 2day will you be threading about Bishop Weeks and Juanita Bynum, what a waste of valuable time that can never be recaptured…as a final word of encouragement, someone needs your attention and time and it’s not Bishop Weeks or Prophetess Juanita Bynum…stay strong and make better choices with your time…
Mike said
Lois, you have missed the point. I also assume that you have not been a serious victim of domestic violence. Just a reminder. If that hotel worker had not stopped Bishop Weeks, Juanita could very well be dead. Trust me it happens everyday.
In anycase, this is not about Bishop Weeks and Juanita. They are simply one example of a global problem facing ANY Christian today. We look to our leaders for guidance and direction. If they do not know what they are doing, we are just as lost as they are. I sincerely hope that wherever you worship that your pastor is preaching and upholding the word of God.
Rhonda said
God is the only true and righteous judge so lets leave the judging up to him. Touch not God’s anointed nor do his children no harm. The devil is out to kill to steal and to destroy all. Ask yourself is your name written in the lambs book of life? Now worry about that.May God continue to use his children in these end times. My prayers are with all the leaders that you choose to tear down with your mouth , shall i tell you a secret it shall not PROSPER.
Rob said
Heartland,
I can not agree with you more on the stance you take against Bynum, Weeks, Jakes and the likes. The trick of the devil to distort God’s word occurred many, many years ago. It is so clear that the Bible speaks about the God of three persons, so that for anyone to be unclear and ambivalent about this truth shows a real lack of faith and salvation. Plain and simple to interpret are such verses like Gen 1:26 “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.” AND Jhn 14:13 “And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.”
So many verses, I can go on and on and on.
It never cease to amaze me how someone can deny this central truth of Christianity. When one’s belief about God is in error, then so follow their belief about other doctrines, like their salvation, sins, man, the devil, etc. It’s no wonder the episode with Weeks and Bynum. I’m not surprised by it. The greed, the manipulation, the control because of the special anointing they spray to all those who has itching ears to hear them. The spell they cast to make people very susceptible. This is the disgusting work of Satan. By the way, This thing called the “ANOINTING, is so overly exaggerated Weeks, Bynum, Jakes and the likes. This “ANOINTING” is not the biblical anointing as the Bible say 2Cr 1:21 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, [is] God; So SIMPLE THE FACT that all God’s people are anointed.
I can go on and on about these false teachers and as Peter and Jude describes their destiny, God has a great judgement for their willful disobedience, rejection, and false intents. Keep up the GOOD WORK. Everything well written in the LOVE of OUR LORD!!!!
Charles D. said
One of the most fearsome aspects of all of the supporters of Bynum,Weeks, Jakes, et al is….when we read about the latter days when there will be father against son daughter against mother; we wonder where such people will come from and what to be watchful for. Well they are in our midst right here, right now. Believing in those false prophets and prophetess are their reality and they know no better, be it because they have Spiritual veil over their collective eyes, or they choose to follow their present course and have believed long enough and hard enough that they have developed a reprobate mentaility and have been given over to that mindset.
Example: There was one person that stated Bynum deserves all of the money she got and deserved much more. Obviously, this person (either knowingly or unknowingly) is bordering on idolatry and knows no better. Many, far too many put forth the “forgiveness” “don’t judge” “do unto others” “only God can judge” doctrine when exposing wolves in sheep clothing, warning to unsuspecting younger Christians, is the duty of all believers. Period. It is unfortunate if some are either too weak, too scared, or have too little invested in their faith, so much so as to not defend their faith, then, that is fine too. Still some others wants little else than to demonstrate that they can turn a phrase, making all of this a a grab fest of differing philosophies and nothing more.
The Bible tells us “this is my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it..” It do not say that hell and hellions would not try; just that they will not prevail. My comfort is seen in the messages that are Scripture inspired (and there have been a few); from Christians who have actually opened and have read their Bibles, seemingly know the Word, Love the Lord, and certainly knows the difference between judging and warning; Bible doctrine and feel good soothing to please the masses; discernment and more so than taking the word of some suit or gown wearing sin haborer that can sweet talk the sugar out of a pound cake.
Far be it from me to judge anybody at anytime in terms of assuming whether they have a relationship with the Living and True God! Spiritual assumptions is a dangerous thing. HOWEVER! Come on folks, Anyone calling themselves a prophet or prophetess has already told you that they are heading straight to hell! First of all a biblical prophet or prophetess of God had to be right 100% of the time. Not 20% or 50% or even 99.999% but 100%. ANyone with any sense knows better and these latter day prophet and prohetess are targeting a certain audiance;
those who knows no better and knows no Bible. Those who will send money and support such cults in order to be associated with something, anything because they have little if any self-concept and a hungry ego.
I wish there were more people who would take up the cross and follow Jesus instaed of burying the cross to associate with greedy people of predition. Gods business have to be done decently and in order. What I have seen of these people, they have done neither and deserve exactly what was ordained for them since the commencement of time as we know it. And all of the hue and cries from those professing to be followers of Bynum, et al can do NOTHING to change those facts.
Charles D. said
Instead of “Any fans of Juanita Bynum and Bishop Thomas Weeks out there” change the thread to “How Many knows that Juanita Bynum and Thomas Weeks are neither a Prophet or a bishop, really!” As long as it remains as is then the mostbase responders are likely to be just that, FANS.
Carolyn said
Hi Rhonda, I’d like to address some points you made:
“God is the only true and righteous judge so lets leave the judging up to him.”
The Bible says that the spiritual man judges all things (1 Cor 2:15). 1 John 4 warns us to try spirits, not to believe every spirit. Proverbs 14:15 says that the simple believeth every word. In short, it is our DUTY to check out what ANY preacher says, see if it lines up with the Scriptures (like the Bereans in Acts 17:11). And we are admonished to mark and reject heretics.
“Touch not God’s anointed nor do his children no harm.”
This verse is often taken out of context. Anyhow, it was referring to physically touching God’s anointed. And heretics are simply not anointed to preach, so even if “touching” them verbally was Biblical, the likes of Jakes, Bynum et al are not exempt.
Furthermore, a true man/woman of God won’t be belligerent about their teachings being scrutinised. In fact they would encourage you to independently study the word to examine them!
Since I mentioned touching the Lord’s anointed, Thomas Weeks (and other women beaters) certainly didn’t seem to worry about that!
“The devil is out to kill to steal and to destroy all.”
True! And he is also introducing doctrines of devils (1 Tim 4:1)
“Ask yourself is your name written in the lambs book of life?
Now worry about that”
True, self-examination is always recommended. But I’d be irresponsible if I didn’t examine the doctrine of those that wish to instruct my soul from the pulpit!
“May God continue to use his children in these end times.”
Amen! And using those with discernment to warn the flock about false teachers, false prophets and false apostles is so important!
“My prayers are with all the leaders that you choose to tear down with your mouth ,”
Not saying they shouldn’t be prayed for; but I’m praying that they would REPENT from falsehood, deception and turning others aside to lies.
“shall i tell you a secret it shall not PROSPER.”
Obeying God’s word by speaking out and warning people of false doctrine (which is what this site does) WILL prosper. Hallelujah and amen!
Roudy Michal said
I strongly believe in the oneness… God is father in creation, son in redemption and Holy Ghost in the church. The bible states that Mary shall have a son and the government shall be on his shoulder and he will be a wonderful counselor, the mighty God, the Everlasting Father explain that??????
E.Bert Todd said
Grace & Peace Roudy
It appears that you have mixed some scriptures together:
You said this:
“The bible states that Mary shall have a son and the government shall be on his shoulder and he will be a wonderful counselor, the mighty God, the Everlasting Father…”
That appears to be an amalgam of
Matthew 1:23-24 (King James Version)which says:
23Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
24Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
Which is referring to this prophecy:
Isaiah 7:13-15 (King James Version)
13 And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?
14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.
The scripture that you have mixed it with, is this:
Isaiah 9:5-6 (King James Version)
5 For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this shall be with burning and fuel of fire.
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
I do not see how you are using this to support the oneness doctrine, but ok. I would like to know how, if what you strongly believe is true, this could happen:
Matthew 3:13-17 (King James Version)
13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.(/p>
So we have the voice of the Father, the appearance of the Spirit pre-church mind you) and the Son, all separate, and in the same place at the same time,tangibly. How does this agree with your belief?
Rob said
TO E.Bert Todd:
GREAT RESPONSE!!! This is Proof that there are Three Persons. This coupled with the truth that “THE LORD THY GOD IS ONE GOD”.
Three Persons – One GOD!!!
Now That’s BIBLE!!!
Much Appreciated!!
Thanks!!!
Sheryn Sept 2 2007 said
Healtheland Thank GOD for you So much
truth . which people cannot handle They
say to let GOD handle it and when he does
thru his people they cant handle it.There
ears are dulled with false doctrine,from
strong personalities people who can use
a gift to their advantage Please stop
being sheep running right into the wolves
dens.Study the word of GOD Saints.
Seek GOD.GET intimate with Him I belive
he can fill the void that jakes,bynum,
olsten,dollar,white,seem to have filled
Turn off the TV please
Rob said
To Carolyn (169)
You post is right on TARGET!!!
Tdacosta said
The only thing that I ask is that you all listen to the words or preaching of some of these TV pastors (Tele Evan) and see if they Mention the Gospel. That is the death, burial and ressurection of our Lord Jesus Christ and the significance that this plays in a Christian’s life and it’s necessity to be heard by the unsaved.
How many times do they mention that we are servants of God armed with the task of going out and preaching the gospel seeking the lost.
I am sorry to say that those of you who are not reading the God’s inspired word “the Bible” for yourself and hence have the means to say ” thus saith the Lord” rather than “my Bishop, pastor …. says” will always be lead down a dark road.
I know that some may say that it is difficult to spot false teachers (Judas was difficult to spot by the other diciples But our Lord Jesus always knew) thus one of the reasons we are given the inspired word of God “the Bible” with the guidance of holy spirit to quickly identify counterfits.
So I encourage ALL to pray, read the word and be led by the holy spirit. Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father, salvation and eternal life.
Prophetess Karla said
What I see in all this is the devil is deceiving many and causing people to lose focus on the goal. Everyone is quick to point out someone else’s faults and as long as we are pointing fingers at someone else God will never have the chance to cleanse us individually and that’s what the devil wants. I challenge everyone confess to God and point out at least 3 of your weaknesses. If you have trouble doing this check yourself for pride. Know the word for yourself, don’t depend on anyone else to teach you, ask God for the gift of discernment and wisdom.
SoliDeoGloriaFella said
HEAL THE LAND:
Keep preaching the truth brother.
We live in a godless American culture, that does not want God or the truth.
They may call you names and say you have an evil spirit, but keep sending the message that the truth WILL NOT GO AWAY, and all who do not want to deal with the truth will one day have to deal with it.
Charles D. said
Prophetess Karla; you sort of lost me with your title. Are you self appointed or were and are you inspired of God? Keeping in mind that Old Testament Prophets had to be right 100% of the time. Are you truly ready to drink from that cup? If not, please stop playing with titles of which you know not what it means. Thats where Juanita lost many; it is just that.
Saddened said
Healtheland
I don’t know if what you say is true or not but I do know this. The Bible says we are to have a burden for the lost and if you believe the ones you call “fake” are lost than more time should be spent praying than pointing out why they are false. It must have taken hours to write the posts you did and have you taken much time to pray and do you have a burden for them if they are lost or are you more interested in letting the world know how fake they are? Also, do you have something against charismatics or am I misunderstanding you?
Charles said
Saddened: Where in the Bible does it says we are to have a burden for the lost.” You should truly read “Carolyn Says: September 1st, 2007 at 5:18 pm post” Saddened, money is the root of evil; there are those who by their actions, they love money, recognition, and preceived power more than God. You imply that healtheland should spend more time praying and trying to convince those “lost souls” than time spent warning and praying for those who truly desire to be saved and they may want and need guidance/directions.
A blindman is unable to see, but, a fool who refuses to see.
Mike said
Saddened, you are surprised by Healtheland’s posts. Thank goodness you were not around during the time of the apostle Paul. God knows what you would have said to him. See Acts 20:31
Charles D. said
I wasn’t speaking about JD Jakes but I do include him with those who consider money, recogniyion, and preceived power, before God. One needs look any further than the Jakes before his arrival on the scene in Dallas and his life leading up to his arrival there. I’m referring to the Jakes of West Virginia and his life style while there.
Again, his 2006 visit to Atlanta and the major source of his wealth. Those he supposedly ordained at the Potter House. It sounds as though he was selling ordaination to those who could afford it. Certainly he appeal to a certain grouping of followers, usually, those who do not really know the Bible and seek guidance from Jakes because they believe he and his message are bona fide.
DEBRA BLAKENEY said
SEEK FIRST THE KINGDOM OF GOD. STUDY AND SHOW THYSELF APPROVAL UNTO GOD. HE WILL DIRECT YOUR PATH. FAST AND PRAY. LEAN NOT TO YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING, WORSHIP GOD I MEAN TRULY WORSHIP HIM AND HE WILL ANSWER. STOP PLAYING CHURCH AND RUNNING AFTER WHAT SOUNDS GOOD AND WHAT MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD.
CLAUDIA said
I’M ASKING GOD TO HEAL AND MEND BROKENESS.I’M ASKING THE SAVED TO WAKE UP AND REALIZE THE DEVIL IS AFTER OUR MINISTRY.HE’S COMING FULL FORCE AFTER OUR MINISTRY.
Rob said
There was a post by Camey Lee that talked about how Juanita is going to be more powerful even after all what she’s going through and I’d like to say:
Camey Lee:
Yeah…she will become more powerful. She’ll use this experience to be the Poster Child for battered Women. She’ll align herself with even some high social figures and speak, as lead of the Lord, these issues of domestic abuse. She’ll write books, make CD, DVD, Tapes, hold conferences and gain the attention of many who love and follow her, not only their attention, but their money as well. She’ll do all this in the Name of the LORD. Many cases of domestic violence has happened before her, but hers is so prominent being a prophetess as God uses her, speaks to her, gives a word from heaven so to use her Anointing. Oh YEAH…SHE’LL become more powerful as you can only see this as being power. She’ll even evangelize to others and tell them how powerful she has become. She may even tell of how she was not perfect in the relationship…cause you know all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. All this in the eye of the public eye
to supposedly save some.
I HOPE YOU KNOW I’M BEING VERY FACETIOUS IN ALL THIS!!!
NOW FOR A SERIOUS, BUT SAD TOUCH:
Here are the false teachings of the Prophetess that her groupies will learn and follow:
Through all this experience of empowerment, these people will learn “false teachings” about ADULTERY as she will find another man to fulfill her lustful desires. Nothing will be said from the scriptures that GOD hates divorce (”For the LORD, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away…” -Malachi 2:16) and that “anyone who divorces and marries another commits adultery.
“And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.” Mat 19:9
“And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.” Mar 10:11
YOU WON’T HEAR HER PREACH THESE VERSES.
All because this prophetess uses her own guile and charisma to teach this false doctrine. Never once did she mention “separation”, but subtlety teaches through practice and whispering words that that “it’s okay to leave your husband if he beats you” (I’n not condoning beating, I’m just describing Juanita’s tactics). Can’t you see Mia Gentry? Are you now choosing to be blind, poking out your own eyes?
These women will be taught how to be empowered through all the missing biblical influences that will be substituted by this woman’s subtle influence to omit biblical doctrine and truths. She will scratch the “itching” ears of so many who will listen to her as they are caught up in her charisma. Looks so pretty as we can see – the make up, the floundering words, the spicy dress, the tearful sincerity, but in the dark secrets of her and her followers life, there will be depression, divorce, lust oppression, lack of joy and the fruit of the Spirit as evident by their sins. All the truth is covered up by the beauty of self. THIS IS WHAT SHE IS TEACHING YA’LL. SHE DOES THIS STUFF ALL THE TIME. She teaches a God, but not a TRINITY; she teaches theatrical closeness to God through the threshing floor, but not abiding in Christ; she te