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Tonex Is Back: Is That A Good Thing?

Posted by Job on March 30, 2007

I must ask: have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior? If not, follow this link The Three Step Salvation Plan

Update I: Please see
Tonex Demonstrates That Those That Have Concerns About Him Are Justified,
Juanita Bynum, Bishop Thomas Weeks, TD Jakes, Noel Jones, Tommy Tenney: Their True Demonic Roots and Juanita Bynum, Bishop Thomas Weeks, TD Jakes, Noel Jones, Tommy Tenney, Mark Hanby Demonic Roots II on the demonic roots of the denominations of TD Jakes, Juanita Bryant, and all others who deny God’s Tri – Unity and Matthew 28:19. Update II: Please see (Christian Rappers Offer Alternative I Corinthians 9:22) on Christian rap in general.

See this link and be totally shocked. For the uninitiated, is a fellow that God blessed with genius – like musical talent and excellent preaching ability. Unfortunately, Tonex grew up in a “holiness or hell” Pentecostal church whose false doctrine came out of the modalist Oneness Pentecostal heresy. Now Tonex himself believes in Trinity, but he still preaches the circumcision (i.e. you must speak in tongues to be saved) and the other things that Trinity gives us freely through grace. As a result of this double – mindedness and the pressures of being a major gospel recording artist and producer, full time preacher, his father’s tragic and sudden death, the deaths of his brother and lots of his friends, and being married, the guy cracked up, totally lost it. I was once one of this guy’s biggest defenders, but even then noticed that he had real problems with pride and vanity, and wasn’t living by the messages that he was preaching and was in his songs. So now, the fellow is broke, divorced, quoting the gnostic/New Age abomination “” as if it were the Bible, and kicked off his “comeback tour” in New Age marijuana addict ‘s (another liberation theology gnostic who once claimed “Jesus is the coolest rebel I know”) sing song joint. Now a main source of Tonex’s rage was his totally mishandling the “business” side of his music. He stated in his debut album that people warned him that he would not make any money singing gospel, but he proclaimed that he wasn’t in it for the worldly gain. But that was before his records started selling, he started winning awards, hanging out with Kirk Franklin (who made a song with anti – Trinitarian Word of Faith/prosperity deceiver TD Jakes and had his own self – admitted pride issues) and other questionable sorts in the gospel music industry, etc. Rather than waiting on the Lord, this fellow signs with an obscure record label, who lied to him (big surprise there!) and told him that they wouldn’t sue him if he left for a major label so long as the new label bought out his contract, but promptly sued him right when he did, which held up his OUTSTANDING second album so long that by the time it came out it was too late to build on the success of his first album and therefore didn’t sell. So he gambles it all on a third “live album”, which FINALLY gave him the smash hit that he craved, but guess what: despite all the fame and record sales HE STILL WASN’T MAKING ANY MONEY! Now I hate to say it, but in cases like this, I have to take the side of the record companies. For every artist that sells, ten don’t, and the record company loses everything that they invested in that artist. Even in the case of Tonex, so “Out The Box” went gold. A ton was invested in making the album (and concert DVD), it didn’t sell as much as it should have because PERFECTIONIST Tonex held it up remixing/remastering/reproducing every single track, it was released ALMOST TWO YEARS after the concert itself, AND the label still had to cover their losses from his second album not selling, buying and re – releasing his first album from his original label, AND the lawsuit. So Tonex, all full of himself, goes to his label and DEMANDS A TON OF MONEY FROM THEM BASED ON HIS ONE GOLD ALBUM, AND FLIPS OUT WHEN THEY TELL HIM NO! He announces his retirement, talks about how evil Christians and the gospel recording industry is, etc. Until now, when Verity’s “new management” comes along and makes it all right. How? Well, check out THIS LINE from the article: Fans can expect new music by this May and a new wave of energy coming from the Verity camp. Jordan, who was integral in the careers of such artists as R Kelly (child molester!) and Salt N Pepa (New Age hedonists!) hopes stated, “My leadership will make a difference because my indoctrination, my background comes from secular … now I can do it my way.” THIS GUY was able to reconcile Tonex with the world of gospel music? THIS GUY was able to make it all better?Now, it has long been “kinda sorta known” of the worldly lives that many Christian and gospel singers lead when they aren’t in church and singing. A lot of them sing backup with secular artists and produce and write for them. For instance, “Mary Mary” was once backup singers and dancers for 702, Cee Cee Winans has sung backup (and even once a duet with) Whitney Houston, Andre Crouch has worked with the Jehovah Witness pedophile Michael Jackson, etc. It is not something that they brag about, but if you are one of those types who actually reads the fine print on album covers, you see it all. But of all those, “holiness or hell” Tonex is actually the MOST WORLDLY BY FAR, with some of the people that he works with, and many of the references in his songs. So, his cleaving to this “Jazzy Jordan” sort, one of Tonex’s own sermons contained the verse “how can two walk together unless they be agreed?” (Amos 3:3)? And this brings up a bigger issue: what is VERITY, ONE OF THE MAJOR GOSPEL MUSIC LABELS, DOING HIRING SOMEONE FROM THE SECULAR MUSIC ARENA TO RUN THEIR LABEL? I will tell you: mammon. Greed. It is all about the money. These folks have figured out that the way to make more money is with this neo – soul/gospel/hip – hop movement, to make the music sound as worldly as possible with secular producers (R. Kelly has already been producing gospel songs for Trin-i-tee 5:7 and similar for years), and also having secular singers do “guest spots” on gospel songs (as Kirk Franklin did by having New Ager Salt on his “Stomp” song, which was basically just them singing over a Parliament/Funkadelic background … if you check the video Salt, as always, cannot resist indulging in the very same “flaunt my sexuality” act that she built her entire career on), and HAVING THEM TOUR TOGETHER. Now, Salt claims to be Christian, but her beliefs and practices are actually New Age, and she only makes references to “spirituality” and “being spiritual”; her next public mention of Jesus Christ being deity will be her first. Now this direction that gospel music has taken has driven me into CHRISTIAN (yep, white folks) music, and I actually picked up a COUNTRY gospel hymn album (Christy Lane, one of the decreasing number of famous Christians who is actually still married to their first spouse; but regrettably it wasn’t that good) the other day. Now of course, Christian and country gospel music and musicians have their problems too, but hey I don’t know about them yet! But the mess that is going on with gospel music is simply an outgrowth of what is going on in the church, and is just still more evidence that the great tribulation, rapture, and return of Yeshua HaMashiach are all nigh: this WILL be the generation that sees them all! And that is why Heal the Land is here: to entreat sinners to come to repentance and to warn Christians to cast off false doctrine and stop being lukewarm, for the time is near at hand, and the wrath of God is about to be poured out! Oh and you Christians, don’t deceive yourself; read Revelation 2 and Revelation 3, because when God’s wrath begins, it won’t start in the world, but rather in the church! And that fact SHOULD make you want to ask Yeshua HaMashiach to be Your Lord and Savior!

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114 Responses to “Tonex Is Back: Is That A Good Thing?”

  1. tiffany said

    dear tonex,
    my name is tiffany washignton.i really love u.u ur such a beast.man i wish i could sing like u.ur voice is beastin’.i wish u would start singin’ again.i really admire u.i’m 11 years old.u could be singin’ again.i’m not one of ur biggest fan’s.i’m ur biggest fan.u speak to me.u make me cry when u sing.wat ever it takes to get u singin again that’s wat i’ll do.i will pray every night to GOD that he will make u sing.u bring joy to my life.tonex, man ur just the best.just pleaz start singin again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!i really luv u.

    ur biggest fan
    tiffany washington

  2. tiffany said

    hi tonex it’s me tiffanywashington.i hope u come back and BLOW UP!!!!!!!!!!!!luv ya

  3. I am not the recording artist Tonex. I will provide you to the links to his various websites on the condition that you agree to pray for a young man who really does need God to move in his life.
    This is his Myspace Page
    (http://www.myspace.com/tonexworld)
    This is his official website
    (http://www.yotonex.com/)

    Thank you and be blessed, and please come visit this website again if you want devotionals, essays, and news related to spiritual warfare. If you desire prayer or spiritual counseling or have any Bible or doctrinal questions (including about Tonex’s holiness or hell doctrine, or his incorporation of gnosticism and contemplative prayer heresies in his statements and music) please contact me at healtheland@lpemail.com. Thank you.

  4. A2 said

    It is easy to criticize when you are under a smaller limelight than the person you are judging. When are person is busy for the God, just as Jesus, you won’t have time to judge. Tonex’s fruits will speak for itself. It’s the same spirit in which this article “Tonex is Back” was written that freed Barabbas and crucified Jesus.

  5. A2:

    It is also easy to accuse someone of judging when you cannot contradict anything that they say. Do you know WHY you cannot contradict anything that I say? Because everything in my post either came from Tonex’s own mouth (whether in statements to the media or on his CDs or DVDs) or was written BY HIM on his websites. “It’s the same spirit in which this article ‘Tonex is Back’ was written that freed Barabbas and crucified Jesus.” No, the Pharisees and Sadducees were LYING. I am telling the truth. Furthermore, you KNOW that I am telling the truth, for if I wasn’t you would have told me, and I would have apologized and corrected the error. And by the way: Jesus Christ’s statement about not judging: please do not take it out of context, because if you did you would be opposing the scriptures where Jesus Christ and everyone else in the Bible called upon the righteous to correct and warn people. Jesus Christ stated that the Pharisees and Sadducees had no right to judge because they rejected Jesus Christ as their God and Messiah. That was “the beam” that was in the eyes of the people who were trying to pluck “the mote” out of the eyes of Jesus Christ’s disciples for not following Pharisaic traditions. So yes, I am warning people concerning Tonex’s claims (on Out Tha Box CD 2 on the “Make Me Over Again” reprise) that one is not saved unless they speak in tongues. That is a LIE specifically contradicted in Corinthians. I am warning people concerning Tonex’s referring to himself as “Neo” from the gnostic/New Age “The Matrix” (not to mention other people from his group or production company calling themselves “Morpheus” and similar). I am warning people concerning Tonex’s promotion of contemplative prayer and other things borrowed from eastern religions on His “Out Tha Box” concert DVD. And yes, I am warning people concerning Tonex’s doing a concert at New Age witch Erykah Badu’s establishment. And I am warning people concerning the growing trend of mixing secular and gospel music. Now if you can come up with SCRIPTURE to demonstrate how I am wrong (other than some general out of context references to “not judging”) let me know. Now as for “my being busy for the Lord”, well exactly what do you think I am doing on this weblog? Better yet, tell me how YOU are working for Jesus Christ by defending another person’s error? Keep in mind: this isn’t some guy that just got saved Friday night we are talking about here. We are speaking of a guy who grew up in the church and has been an ordained minister for years (and may even be pastoring his late father’s church). Tonex knows better, and just chooses not to do better.

  6. tapiwa said

    to know him in all of his suffering…..to know him….aint that wat its all abt??if u know him 4 urself…wat can stop u

  7. alexia said

    no offense, i am not surprised by your comments about tonex coming back to the gospel industry. tonex is human just like everybody else we all have sinned and come short of the gloryand u have also. to me when i listen to his music and also his lyrics, it made normal to u but 2 me it is the type the music and the ministry of tonex that i adore. one thing i adore about tonex and also kirk franklin is that they will admit their wrongdoings and not hide it like thye never did anything wrong. so 4 u to say what u r saying right now is very foolish. i think u wish to have the creativity of people like tonex and kirk franklin. if god wasn’t pleased with their talents, they would’ve stopped a long time ago. with your little article it is going to make me support their music and their ministry more and more.

  8. YA said

    Healtheland, I completely understand where you’re coming from. I was once a Tonex fan, but it is clear to anyone with a discerning spirit that he has forsaken the doctrines of Christianity and is embracing a completely different world view.

  9. YA:

    Well, to be honest by doing so he is no different from a great many Christians these days. We just have to pray that all of these wayward Christians return to the true gospel before it is too late.

  10. James said

    wow….you know “church folk” kill me. Here I see someone who has been able to throw a lot of words at someone they have never met and call a heretic. Have you ever “heard” him preach? Have you ever met with him, talked to him, prayed for him?

    It seems that those who claim to be a part of the body of Christ can do nothing but point out the flaws of one another. Let’s pray for this young man.

    I ask you Healtheland…what did you “see” that made you think he had problems with Vanity….sorry..I have read your articles and you are nothing more than a gossip columnist fronting like you represent the body of christ. Learn to pray for understanding and for the lord to give you discernment.

    Now as for the argument of the oneness pentecostal vs the trinity…to call it heresy continues to go with your tabloid style. Disagreement in scripture is common. To believe that Father, Son and Holy ghost is one man is not heretical…I believe possibly miss understood but to deem it heretical is sensationalist in the least. I agree with many of the things that you site however your style is disruptive and has no love in it..what are you trying to accomplish?

  11. James said

    Oh…Hearth…let me quote your own words

    “Healing, IMHO, has to do with spreading a positive message that actually mends wounds, instead of continually inflicting new ones.”

    How is talking and reveling in a brother “cracking up” living up to your own promise? Pray for the brother..God can help you when you “totally lost it”..pray that he comes to know the full gospel…ok…I’m done..

  12. shirleen said

    first of all i want to give all honors to GOD!
    I’ve had the pleasure of meeting and talking to TONEX and i’m gonna plead the BLOOD OF JESUS over all of this. U c GOD will allow somethings to happen just to bring u closer to him and who r we 2 judge! Yes he’s welcome back because i serve a awesome GOD that has forgiveness for any and eveerything we do. Now for those that don’t know TONEX is your brother in christ so why would you wanna knock him down and keep him down? We need to lift him up in prayer and rebuke all those bad things away from him. Also we need to watch what we say because there’s power in the tongue ,but it’s ok because we fall down ,but we get up and that’s what children of GOD do. We r suppose to love one another not try to hurt one another and if someone disagrees then that is fine because my heart is not harden. I love u all and GOD bless u
    sister shirleen

  13. James:

    If you think that I am reveling in a man given a great many gifts by God going through all this and doing all this, then well there is nothing that I can do about that. In any event, you and a great many of the other people who have risen up in opposition to this effort of mine to warn and help people, I notice that NONE of you have been able to find any lie, error, or distortion in anything that I have said. If there is a lie, error, or distortion, make me known of it and I will gladly remove it. Otherwise, your problem is not with me, but the truth, and you wish is that I withhold the truth from people lest their eyes be opened to it and they be healed by it. Why, sir, are you rising up in opposition to the truth? It would be one thing were Tonex to be changing his ways (and if he is, as a person who has all of his albums I will be first to put up a jubilant post proclaiming such), but based on this article, it honestly does look like he is getting WORSE, not better.

    As far as this Trinity thing goes, Trinity is not an argument or disagreemnt on scripture. Trinity is the nature of God. Trinity is so clearly expressed in scripture (the word used for God in Trinity, Elohim, is plural, and God said let US make man in OUR image) is that only a person with a rebellious heart would reject it. Unfortunately, a lot of people have rebellious hearts because they are in denominations started by this preacher who had this “special revelation” while speaking in tongues (and there was no interpreter present!) claiming that the Trinity doctrine was a lie. Well, I have to ask you this, if there is no Trinity how can Luke 3:22 be possible? “And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him [Jesus Christ], and a voice came from heaven [the Father], which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.” How can that POSSIBLY refer to one person, whether they be “manifestations” or “pieces”? And that is why this is important: any person who can read verses like that and still play games regarding the Trinity is just someone who has decided that they are going to have to follow after man rather than God. They are someone who has decided that their master is their denomination, their pastor, and whatever doctrines that they were taught growing up. SUCH A PERSON SHOULD NOT BE FOLLOWED OR TRUSTED! Anyone who is not 100% after truth will follow after a lie. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but one day. And if you are going to follow a lie in the church, you most certainly will follow a lie outside of it as well. THAT is why I am doing what I am doing. My goodness, you do know that the Bible says not to follow after false religions and practices, right? Remember the sons of Aaron who were killed by God for burning strange incense before Him? It is serious business. Yet you have these preachers and gospel singers putting mess from eastern religion and New Age into their churches and songs. Why do that? Isn’t God good enough for these people? I will tell you the reason: MONEY. By doing this, they get to appear more spiritual, more progressive, more trendy. Which is the same reason why they are hanging around with and making songs with dope addicts with the sexual habits of alley cats (actually, that is rather unfair to alley cats, who unlike these music scene folks mostly restrict themselves to heterosexual encounters and sex partners of an appropriate age). MONEY. That is their motivation for doing what they do, so I ask you, what is your motivation for defending them? Wherein is your gain for your ways, Christian, whether in this world or the next?

    • william jones said

      well if you ready the scripture “correctly” it says let Us, but in the next verse says “Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.” and God said in Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
      Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
      Isa 43:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.
      and Jesus said that I and my father are one period now before you go adding to this understand that the word says “Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
      Jesus the image of the invisible God Col 1:15

  14. james said

    Healtheland:

    You’re right….I’m not arguing the truth. I’m arguing your tone. However, I recognize that sometimes it’s necessary to get people’s attention…and you obviously got mine. I wondered what had happened to Tonex with his divorce and all of that and found this site..which has blessed me immensely…especially with giving me resources on shouting down these prosperity preachers.

    And understand…we are in 100% agreement about the trinity…I just was saying that their ignorance was not necessarily heretical. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that the One-ness pentecostals believed in the trinity but that God existed in all manifestations. Now the Jesus one-ness pentecostals I believe they are called don’t believe in it at all and baptize in the name of Jesus only….are you saying these are one in the same? Frankly it’s really hard for me to think of that….Heal..you are correct that the trinity is the foundation of our faith…I just, from what it seems, wrongly believed that these pentecostals believed God was all 3 manifestations of the trinity.

    As for your last question…I am not defending them…as I said in my post…I AGREE with you…however, we should be praying for them and trying to educate them…not name calling. I just think we can get further with “Hey brother let me show you how my opinion is supported in scripture” as opposed to “heretical one-ness pentecostal loses it.”

    I really appreciate your reply…I’m off to research one-ness pentecostals and get the whole scoop with regards to the trinity…btw…anyone looking at this PLEASE go to the section on prosperity doctrine…you gotta read it. It’s killing many a church….remember folks…God is not an financial investment vehicle.

  15. shirleen said

    u will be judged with the same measure that u judge someone else. i will pray for u all.
    love sister shirleen

    p.s
    i am not in this disagreement all i ask is that we pray and ask GOD to reveal all the right answers!
    love ya!

  16. TRAVIS DACUS said

    listen lol tonex is a good artist is music is great no matter the bible says you cant judge a person so whatever he believe`s in that`s him god is in control that`s how i feel and im glad he`s back! travis dacus.

  17. Shirleen:

    Have you not read the epistles at all? Did not the disciples correct each other, even Peter needing to be corrected by Paul? Look, Tonex is not different just because God blessed him with great preaching and musical talent. He has to abide by the Bible just like everyone else. That is all I am trying to do with this weblog: help people abide by the Bible and warn them regarding Tonex’s direction.

  18. Travis:

    “no matter what the Bible says”? Well I have to hand it to you brother, at least you are honest. I 100% disagree, it is all about the Bible, and though I cannot measure up to its standard and am saved by grace and the promise of grace, I will do whatever I can to let the world know about what the Bible says until the day I die. So good sir, I will be praying for you.

  19. MissCorNite said

    First let me say I am an avid Tonex fan. Perhaps I am biased, but I don’t think it’s right to criticize him.

    I wasn’t going to submit a comment, but I was immensely disheartened after reading this article. Why do you deem it necessary to tear Tonex apart? Why waste time placing him under a microscope and analyzing every choice he makes.Okay, maybe he made decisions that YOU didn’t agree with, but I’m sure you are perfect, right?

    Next, I’m not sure if all of your facts are accurate. Yes, he did get married and his father died when Tonex was young,but are you positive that both events occured before his twenty third birthday? You may want to recheck your references.

    How can you judge Tonex (along with Mary Mary Cee Cee Winans) for working with secular artists? Most Christians have colleagues that are not saved. Furthermore, if we only surround ourselves with Christians, how can we win souls for Christ?

    “Tonex Is Back, Is That a Good Thing?” From a fan’s perspective,I would ordinarily reply “yes”. From Tonex’s perspective I’m not sure. He can share his God given gifts to the world and simultaneously save a few souls, but at what expense? Getting bashed by his so called brothers and sisters in the Lord.

    We have to remember that Tonex is a talented entertainer, but he is also a young man named Anthony Charles Williams. How do you think Anthony feels when he reads articles like this one? No matter who you are, or what you do, nobody likes to read negative things about themselves.

    Tonex is talented, original, versatile,and annointed. There is no entertainer like him. Despite all of the negative things said about him, he has positive attributes. I can not close this comment without acknowledging a few. First of all,he is extremely down to Earth. I went to one of his concerts and he took the time to meet the crowd, sign autographs, and take pictures for free. (I have personally witnessed gospel artists charging 20 dollars for pictures and autographs.) Furthermore, he is not money hungry. He has provided countess free downloads via myspace. Let’s also mention his ability to attract young people. I am 20 years old and have been Tonex’s fan since PTN was released. You must admit it is difficut for an artist to capture the attention of teenagers and young adults.

    If you don’t like Tonex, that’s fine. Don’t listen to his music. Even better, if you want to “Heal the land”, why not pray for him? Don’t bash him.

  20. MissCorNite:

    First, only do this if you believe in Trinity and the truth, inerrancy, Holy Spirit inspiration, and final authority of scripture, and have accepted Jesus Christ as your personal saviour through faith alone with no works or signs (i.e. water baptism or tongues) required as “proof”. If you do not meet this critera, then do not trouble me. But if you do, then please perform a favor for me. Go alone into your room or closet, pray to your God, and ask Him what sin I have committed in writing this post. If your God provides me with an answer concerning my sin in this post, please email me at healtheland@lpemail.com, and we shall collaborate on removing the sin from it. Thank you.

  21. Alison said

    I have noticed a change in Tonex, and know the brother needs prayer. But I think the problem most people are having with this column (I being one of those people) is the tone, the way it is being handled. It doesn’t seem like you have any love for this man or the people you are ctiticizing. Your whole stance is prideful – it really does sound like you are reveling in their failures. And the reason no one is rebutted the statements you’ve made about them is because most are true in a sense, but some of it has been taken out of context. Salt’s behavior in Salt-n-Peppa are a reflection of her at that time, but you treat them as judgements of her character no matter what she is now. And the fact remains that you are not in the position to judge, because all you know about these people is what has been reported. But if you were a famous person, it wouldn’t be hard for us to find dirt on you. Kirk Franklin has admitted his past problems, which you have stated, but you still treat the brother with disdain. Obviously the thing to do is pray for him as we pray for everybody. I have a lot more to say, but I guess I can stop here.

  22. Alison said

    Also, all this trinity vs. oneness mess is getting ridiculous. It seems like when people from both sides are arguing about the rightness or wrongness of one or the other, they basically believe the same thing. Trinitarians believe in the deity of Jesus. Oneness believe in the deity of Jesus. It just seems to be some disagreement over wording. I’ve seen arguments where people end up saying the same thing, but then still end the arguement on a negative tone like they are different. The fact remains that the bible doesn’t have either term – oneness or trinity. Just a thought.

    • nikkele said

      Good point Allison!! Trinity and Oneness are not biblical terms, so if we are going to argue, let’s argue over what’s explicit in the Word versus implicit.

  23. Alison: “they basically believe the same thing.” No, they do not. Oneness Pentecostals have the same view of the Godhead as do Mormons, Muslims, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and modern Jews (who no longer practice the religion God gave Moses). It is not disagreement over wording, but over the nature of God. You change the nature of God, and you come up with an extremely legalistic works – based religion. These are the people who came up with this nonsense about how women can’t wear pants, how you aren’t saved unless you speak in tongues, and God will love you and bless you more if you spend 8 or 9 hours in church.

    Further, I extend to you (and everyone else) the same opportunity that I did MissCorNite. Go and pray to your God concerning what sin I have committed, and reply to me, either here or at healtheland@lpemail.com. I do not want to sin against God or anyone else, so if God tells any of you that I have sinned with this post and how, I will act immediately to remove the sinful content of this post. As far as claiming that I am prideful and reveling in their destruction: look, even if I had something against these people PERSONALLY, if I honestly believed these people to be leading folks astray, why would I be happy about that? Do you think that I WANT people to go to the lake of fire for eternity? If that was what I wanted, I wouldn’t be warning people about these false doctrines and movements in the church. I wouldn’t be doing whatever I could to stop AT LEAST ONE PERSON from being destroyed for the lack of knowledge. See, a lot of Christians have this false belief that the journey ends once you get saved. No, that is when the journey BEGINS. That is when the test and the trials BEGIN. Read Revelation 2 and 3: Jesus Christ says the reward goes to those who endure to the end, and one of these things that they have to endure are all of these false doctrines and movements (Jezebel, Balaam, Nicolataines, etc.). Read the gospels with the parable of the sower. Only a few of the seeds fell by the wayside, people who outright rejected the gospel. The majority of the seeds either went into stony places or fell among thorns. Those represents CHRISTIANS who were SAVED but do not hold on. The parable of separating the sheep from the goats: that is not between those who accept the gospel and those who reject it. That is between people who accept the gospel and are obedient and faithful and thsoe who accept it but refuse to give up their old ways. So is the parable of the talents: the guy who had one talent was saved, but he did not produce anything for the kingdom. The parable of the wise virgins who brought enough oil versus the foolish who allowed their lamps to burn out? The parable where Jesus Christ says “depart from me ye workers of iniquity, I never knew ye”? Those all apply to CHRISTIANS. God’s judgment starts in the CHURCH. Again, read Revelation 2 and 3. A lot of Christians love to focus on what happens after 2 and 3, especially folks who believe in the pre – tribulation rapture, because that is what happens to the world. No one wants to deal with what is going to happen to US.

  24. Alison said

    I’ve actually tried to do research on oneness vs. trinitarianism, and have just come up confused on what both believe. That led me to have an attitude of “Forget both of them” just because I know God is not the author of confusion. I no longer try to understand what one is saying versus the other, I just read the bible and go from there. I know that Jesus is the son of God, that he is divine, that He and the Father are one. The Holy Spirit is the spirit of God, works as the Comforter to us, as well as a guide. After that, I’m not getting into all these debates. I grew up in a Pentecostal church, then started going to different denominations once I went to college and got weary of certain legalistic things at the pentecostal church I was attending in that city. Now I have finally gotten tired of all the arguments – from within and without. I don’t know what either side is saying half the time. Honestly, I am tired of all debates and arguments period, I am almost to the point where I don’t want to go to church period. Every denomination I’ve dealt with feels they are the ones who got it right and all the others are evil in some way. But God has blessed me to keep me from falling into cynicism. He has shown me individuals who walk a Godly life that surpasses organization, politics, denominiation, etc. Those people have been persons who admit they don’t know it all but pray to God everyday that they please Him and that He teaches them. So now my motto is this – I’m not about denomination, I’m about doctrine. If somebody preaches good doctrine, and isn’t placing interest on “join my denomination” then I pay attention to them.

    I will admit this though – most of the crazy people I’ve met in church were in the church I grew up in. I won’t say Pentecostals are demonized, but something about the belief system or religious practice does attract some weird types. I am now trying to figure out if it is that Satan is trying to discredit something that at its roots is of God, or if it is just something that has always been tarnished because of something being inherently wrong.

    • nikkele said

      Allison, check out the book “God’s Generals” by Robert Liardon. It touches on what you mentioned in your last paragraph, including how the Oneness movement came about (through a personal prevelation in a tent meeting).

  25. Alison:

    Well, to answer the Trinity “debate”, all one has to do is go back to the cross, when Jesus Christ asked the Father “why have you forsaken me?” and then said “into Thy hands I commend My spirit.” Realize that before then, Jesus Christ said that He had to go back into Heaven – back to My Father – before the Holy Spirit could come into the world. And when Jesus Christ was getting baptized, the Holy Spirit came down upon Him like a dove, and the Father said from Heaven “this is My Son in whom I am well pleased.” And then there was the John epistles where it says that even according to Jewish law where things are established only in the mouths of witnesses is the nature of the Godhead true because the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit all bear witness of each other in Heaven and on Earth. And in creation, Elohim (which is PLURAL in Hebrew) says “Let US make man in OUR image.” Further, the epistles say that Jesus Christ was the rock that followed the children of Israel out of Egypt, the same rock that Moses hit. Messianic Jews also claim that Jesus Christ was actually the one who met Joshua and told him to lead the children of Israel around Jericho (where Christians claim that it was an angel).

    It is obvious from those – and a multitude of other scriptures – that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit refer to three distinct entities that are capable of being in the different places at separate times, referring to one another, and talking (even debating!) with one another, and subjecting one to the other’s authority. So there is no mystery whatsoever in there being Three Persons of the Godhead. The only mystery is how those three can also be one. The best human explanation that I have seen is rather than 1+1+1 = 1, instead 1 X 1 X 1 = 1. That description is why there is this show geared towards teen and college aged Christians (either on NRB or on TCT) named “One Cubed.” These whole Oneness Pentecostals came up because this one Canadian R. E. McAlister a few years after Azusa Street in 1913 stated at this Pentecostal conference that we should stop baptizing in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and that we should instead baptize in the name of “Jesus Only.” Now realize that the Bible states that a clear sign of demonic influence is when someone claims Christ but contradicts the Bible, especially clear scripture. Well, Matthew 28:19 clearly states “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.” But this guy John G. Schaepe had a “special revelation” and these people chosen to follow their own doctrines rather than the Bible ever since. You know, this event was first described to me in this book on Azusa Street that TBN sent me, adn when TBN refused to condemn it, I stopped supporting them, and threw away all of the books and trinkets they used to send me in return for my “love gifts” away. I suppose that these Oneness types have come up with plenty of lies to get around the Matthew 28:19 thing, but it is all just that: lies. The truth is in the Bible, and I am very glad that you are reading it. After you read it, you then have to A) believe it and B) stand for it. It is your job. John Eckhardt, who like Tonex is an “apostolic” who believes in Trinity, says that there is a curse on all Christians who do not fight the Lord’s battles. He calls it “the curse of Meroz”, which is described in the Book of Judges. Thanks to all of these Oneness Pentecostals getting on TBN and these other networks, their lies and their legalistic practices are gaining mainstream acceptance, and I am certain that it is God’s Will that we oppose these demons of destruction by prayer and by truth – telling. Now I will say this: my family and I did pray for Tonex and his family a good bit and over a good period of time. But when I saw that Christianity Today article over the new direction that he is taking with Verity, I had to tell the truth. Maybe I am not the best writer and capable of conveying compassion and sensitivity in my writing, and a lot of people tell me that and I am working on it. But I cannot sacrifice or sugarcoat the truth in doing so.

  26. Tela said

    My Brother,

    My question is in reference to musical styles. I understand you disdain for secular music. The lyrics used in secular music today is terrible to say the least. But I don’t understand why the music style and rhythms used in secular music is basically outlawed in the body of Christ. Is it the sound or the lyrics that makes music secular? Music evolves and changes through out time. What is acceptable now was not 20 years ago. Music by the Clark Sisters and The Winans were not popular among church people at first, but now they are considered the standard. So why is it wrong for people like Tonex and Kirk Franklin to change the words and uplift the Word in song with secular styles?

  27. Tela:

    Actually, I have no problem with secular music so long as it does not promote or suborn sin. It is definitely the lyrics that makes music secular, not the music style. But look, when you put Salt (a New Ager who goes to “Earth Day” and mess like that) in your video to do her little “body shaking” dance in that tight outfit (and does Salt even mention Christ in her rap? if she did I missed it) in “Stomp” and when you start using characters and references from that blasphemous idolatrous “The Matrix” movie (you do realize that the character Neo in the “The Matrix” was supposed to represent Jesus Christ, right? A postmodern liberation theology Jesus Christ, with the “prophecies that he will be the one to set us free” and even his “death and resurrection” in the first one, not to mention his death at the end of the last one and the references to the “false saviors that came before him” in teh second one) to describe yourself and your ministry, you got problems. And yes, I saw “Out The Box” concert DVD, where he was doing that “spirituality” stuff. In “The Spirit Realm” Tonex was praying in the lotus position, commonly associated with YOGA (and doing some other things that can be considered highly questionable). On one hand, you could say “I am all things to all people so that I might save some.” Fine, if Tonex was using it as an evangelism tool for Buddhists and Hindus. Otherwise, you have to use the other statement from Paul: “all things are lawful to me, but all things are not expedient.” It is very regrettable that a lot of people are viewing this as just another example of Tonex being attacked by “the haters.” I think that I should remind people here: I was once a FANATICAL Tonex fan. I own all of his commercially released albums AND the Out The Box DVD, and actually gave them away as gifts to people. Tonex’s music has touched and helped my life and my family in ways that you could never imagine. But unfortunately, it really does not appear that the brother is living up to his music, or even trying to.

  28. Follower of Christ said

    I wish Tonex still beleived in the Oneness of God, because Oneness is right. With it come a call to holiness, which is why trinitarians refuse to beleive. You must be filled with the Holy Ghost in order to make it to heaven. No if and or buts about it. Acts 2:38 is the key. The fullness of the Godhead is in Jesus. The truth is there for all who seek it.

  29. Follower of Christ:

    So sir, does your denomination disobey the commandments of the Bible and baptize in the name of Jesus Christ only, or do you deny Matthew 28:19? Incidentally, when Jesus Christ was being baptized on earth, how did A) the Holy Spirit descend on Him like a dove and B) how did the Father speak from Heaven AFTER the Holy Spirit descended upon Him saying “This is my Son in whom I am well pleased? And why is the first Name given for God in the Bible, Elohim, plural? And why did Jesus Christ say to His disciples, “No one has seen the Father at any time?” Or why is it said “No man can look upon the Father and live?” Because if “Father, Son, and Holy Spirit” are merely relationships to one another, then if you were looking at the Son, you were also looking at the Father. And incidentally, how come Jesus Christ said that He had to die and go back to Heaven before the Holy Spirit could come? According to you, the Holy Spirit was already there. And how can the Holy Spirit indwell each and every saved human on earth while God sits on His throne and Jesus Christ sits on His right hand in Heaven, waiting to return? And when Jesus Christ was dying on the cross, the Father turned His face from Him in Heaven because He could not look on sin. How was that possible, and how was it possible that the Father was not defiled by the same sin that Jesus Christ took on? And by the way: the Bible says that holiness is freely given by grace, and is not the result of works. That is the #1 problem with your Oneness cult.

  30. Mathew said

    are these all FACTS in your article – or opinion?

    BTW tonex’s dad passed away when tonex was 30 years old. dont know where you got 23?

  31. Mathew:

    See this link (http://www.soultracks.com/tonex.htm) “A California minister since his teenage years, Tonex recorded and independently released his debut album, Pronounced Toe-Nay, in 1997 at age 21. That would make him 31 now.” So, he is a bit older than I thought.

  32. Alison said

    Okay, baptizing in Jesus’ name is not wrong. It is biblical. It is in Acts that the bible says “Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” The Bible also says that the fullnessof the godhead dwells in Jesus. And Matthew 28:19 specifically says to baptize in the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Since name is singular in this passage, and the passage in Acts says to baptize in Jesus’ name, then it goes that Jesus is the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I may not get into groups like “oneness” and “trinitarian” but it’s because I don’t like to get into calling myself something other than Christian. Like I said, it’s the core doctrine that matters, not the names of organizations and groups. Don’t trinitarians acknowledge that Jesus is God?

  33. Alison:
    No, Matthew 28:19 says thus: “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, AND of the Son, AND of the Holy Ghost.” Or, simply put, in the NAME of the Father, and the NAME of the Son, and the NAME of the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:38 is only telling people who are not yet saved the Name by which they shall be saved (Acts 4:12). The Bible itself says that Jesus Christ is the only Name by which men can be saved; you cannot be saved by the Name of the Father or by the Name of the Holy Spirit. You realize that correctly contextually rightly dividing the Word of Truth in both those scriptures reveals the Triune nature of the Godhead. Take Acts 2:38, the foundation of their false doctrine. If the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit were merely manifestations of one another, why would you need to be baptized in the Name of one manifestation for the other side or nature of that same person to show itself to you? Why say “the only way to the Father is through me?” And if we are merely speaking of manifestations, why can only the Name of the Jesus Christ manifestation save you? Acts 2:38 and Acts 4:12 themselves demonstrate the Trinity by revealing the distinct roles and personalities within the Godhead. But I will tell you this, Alison, no amount of willfully misinterpreting Acts 2:38 will answer the mystery of who Jesus Christ prayed to. Of who turned His Face from Jesus Christ when Jesus Christ was dying on the cross. Or whose voice spoke and was audibly heard from Heaven by people other than Jesus Christ when Christ was on earth, once when He was getting baptized and another time when He asked God to glorify His Name. And it will not explain what descended on Jesus Christ like a dove when He was baptized, or even why the Holy Spirit even had to indwell Him in the first place. We know that the Holy Spirit indwelled Jesus Christ, because when He spoke to the apostles after He resurrected, He breathed on them and said “receive the Holy Spirit.” So, why would the Holy Spirit have to come down upon and indwell Jesus Christ just as it does us if Jesus Christ IS the Holy Spirit? And then you have how Jesus Christ made Himself subject to the Father (and did so by free choice) and the Holy Spirit made Himself subject to the Father AND to Jesus Christ. Can a “manifestation” or “relationship” of the same person do that? Taking the verse where Peter was preaching to the Jews the Name by which they would be saved (and I repeat, stated again in Acts 4:12) out of context does not answer those questions. And do not claim that those questions are unexplainable mysteries, because Trinity, which states that the Godhead exists eternally as three distinct personalities with different roles and characteristics explains them perfectly. And yes, it does matter, because Trinity (which has been a core doctrine of Christianity from day one) is needed to understand those things, and lots of other important concepts in the Bible, including A) grace and B) how all of the symbols and types given to the Jews in the Old Testament prophetically point to and represent Christ. Realize that Oneness Pentecostals have knowledge of those things because of the hard work of Trinitarian scholars who studied the Word of God and deciphered those meanings, and have defended those things and all of Christianity from attacks for 2000 years. The Jews do not have knowledge of those things because they REJECTED the true nature of God, and the same goes for Muslims, Mormons, and Jehovah’s Witnesses. While trinitarian Christianity existed before and without these false cults that claim Jesus Christ, modalism and these other heresies wouldn’t last five minutes without trinitarian Christianity, because without Trinity the Bible makes no sense; neither the Old or the New Testaments, and it starts to fall apart right from the beginning when A) the first Name of God given in the Bible in Genesis 1:1, Elohim, is plural and B) Genesis 1:26 says “Let US make man in OUR image.” Even better, when Adam ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, Elohim said “Now he has become as US knowing good from evil. Let US drive him from the garden of Eden lest he also take from the tree of life and live forever.” Want New Testament? John 1:2 says “the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.” The Father did not become flesh. The Holy Spirit did not become flesh. Only the Word, Jesus Christ, became flesh. If they were all manifestations of the same person and personality, then it would have been IMPOSSIBLE for the Son to become flesh without the Father and the Spirit also, which means that the Father and the Spirit would have had to take on humilitation. The Father would have had to humble Himself and submit Himself. Where does the Bible say that the Father did such a thing? Do you not know that claiming such a thing is BLASPHEMY? How does Acts 2:38 explain that one? Look, even the Jews have had to come up with volume after volume of traditions, teachings, and books to try to cover up the holes, and a lot of the things that they came up with was created hundreds of years after Christ specifically for the purpose of rejecting Christ in their own religion. What these oneness pentecostals are doing is taking what the trinitarians developed in their study of the Bible and rejecting the very doctrine that was used to develop it. And why are they doing that? If we are a bunch of “pagans deceived by the lies of Constantine” like they claim, why do they follow the interpretations and doctrines – the structure and foundation of Christianity – that we came up with? Why not create their own? As a matter of fact, why do they go around claiming that the King James Version is the only legitimate Bible translation? Excuse me, but TRINITARIANS produced the King James Version. So if the Trinitarians are wrong, how is it that they were able to produce the only true Bible? I could go on all day with things that exposes their “Acts 2:38″ claims for being as ridiculous as they are, and shows how they have done nothing but make a conscious decision to rebel not only against scripture, but history and logic. But honestly, if I haven’t convinced you already, then it is only because you have made the decision in your heart to believe what you want to believe, and the reason is that there are some oneness preachers out there that you have joined your heart to and really do not want to let go. Well let me tell you this: there were a lot of preachers that I really loved, but I had to let them go when I found out that they were either Oneness, Word of Faith/prosperity, or claimed that unless you spoke in tongues you weren’t saved. But you know what? I found a bunch of new preachers to replace them, and it didn’t take long at all. It is all about your commitment. Is it to the Bible, or is it to yourself?

  34. Alison said

    First, I’m not arguing against trinity and all that stuff. I’m just saying that the Bible says to baptize in Jesus’ name. Obviously, the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is Jesus, unless Peter was somehow being disobedient and chose to not mention the other names (the name of the Father, and the name of the Holy Ghost). And there must have been disobedience in Acts 8:16, for they were baptized in the name of Jesus Christ also. And Acts 10:48. And Acts 19:5. My point? It is wrong to say that people who baptize in Jesus’ name are going against the Bible. If that’s not whay you were saying, excuse my misinterpretation.

    As for John 1, here is a larger context of the chapter:
    1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    2The same was in the beginning with God.

    3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

    5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

    And further down…

    14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    So the Word refers to Jesus, yes, I agree. But the passage also says that not only was it with God, it was God. Which comes back to what I was saying before…Jesus is God. And so is the Father. And so is the Holy Spirit. But I’m not saying that there are three separate Gods, just one God who exists within these three. For though “there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost”… “these three are one.” (I John 5:7).

    I think we can all agree there is only one God.

  35. Alison: Yes, we can agree that there is one God. I was not accusing you of arguing against the Trinity, I was trying to cause you to argue FOR it. But I suppose that such is not my place. So, I am very sorry for trying to impose my views upon you.

  36. Alison said

    No offense taken.

  37. Anthony said

    Simply put, you’re a judgmental, pharasaical, fanatical weirdo. Nothing you said sounds anything like the Christ I know, who hung out with sinners more than any of the gospel arttists you mentioned. As a matter of fact He was “a friend of publicans and sinners.”
    By the way, did you know that Christy Lane sings secular too. Check out the album, “The Two Sides of Christy Lane”. Let’s talk double-mindedness.
    If you stop screaming so loud and sit quiet, you may just here a still small voice, and a get a true revelation of Him, rather than your religious perception.
    One more thing, secular music was birthed out of Gospel, not the other way around. So all you’re hearing is music that started in the church anyway.

  38. Anthony: Please see my update which I clearly pointed all to in my post http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2007/05/23/tonex-is-back-is-that-a-good-thing-yes/ And incidentally, if you believe that these gospel artists are making records with people like Michael Jackson and R. Kelly to win the lost (which, lest we forget is why Jesus Christ hung out with sinners) rather than to sell records and make money (which, again, was not a motivation for Jesus Christ), you are just naive. The truth only hurts those opposed to it. And for the record, there is nothing INHERENTLY wrong with secular music. Only with A) the lyrics of SOME of the music and B) the actions that SOME of the people who make the music engage in. If you are going to defend making songs with Michael Jackson and R. Kelly and letting New Ager Salt come and wiggle her body on your music video (things which Tonex to my knowledge has not done I will grant you), well then we are just going to have to agree to disagree. Pharisiacal weirdos like myself see that as “calling good evil” and say “Woe to those who do it” based on what I read in the BIBLE. You do realize that any “small still voice” that we hear that contradicts what we read in the BIBLE is supposed to be ACCURSED lest we follow after the likes of Joseph Smith (Mormons), Charles Taze Russell (Jehovah’s Witnesses), Mary Baker Eddy (Christian Scientists), and whoever those people are that teach that Jesus Christ and Michael the archangel are one and the same.

    I am just going to have to ask you if you would be so vigorous in defending these people if they were less talented and therefore not major recording artists. Success may not change people, but it certainly changes how you perceive people. We should hold these artists to the same standards that we would hold the music director at our local church. And if your church would be fine with your music director making records with Michael Jackson and R. Kelly, then well that is one that I would have to avoid. Quit pretending that this is Mahalia Jackson, who was kicked out of her Chicago church because she couldn’t stop her body from shaking when she sang, we are talking about.

  39. Debbie said

    Well one thing for sure Craig was right about this, A FAN IS A TRUE FOLLOWER! it doesnt matter if the artist is ungodly or not, they will defend them in their wrong doing to the end. Will even make excuses for them.

    When we all stand before Jesus Christ, he will not judge us according to how wonderful our talents were, if you sang the people into a frenzy, dance acrossed the pulpit like Michael Jackson. He will be judging, what did you do with my Word?

    Someone wrote up a few bars, Tonex’s fruits will show up, well, they’er right you will know them by their fruits, I have seen this dude in person, his fruit is rotten to the core. Please don’t quote touch not my anointed or you’re judging, didnt Paul say, we are to Judge within?
    You’d better judge this mess out now, we are in the last days people, you are gonna see a lot of wicked stuff especially in the church arena, everybody that says they are saved are not.
    Why do you think God put this scripture in the Bible, The Kingdom of Heaven is like a farmer sowing good seed in his field but one night when he slept his enemy came and sowed thistles (darnel, a wild grain weed that looks similar to wheat) among the wheat. When the crop began to grow, the thistles (darnel weed) did too. The farmer’s helpers asked, “Shall we pull out the thistles?” “No”, the farmer said, “You’ll hurt the wheat if you do. Let them both grow together and I will tell the reapers to sort out the thistles and burn them and put the wheat in the barns”. THOSE WITH EARS LISTEN-Matthew 13

    Come on people please, read the word of God, most of all pray and ask God to show you what good and bad fruit looks like.

    We have let the spirit of Entertainment creep into the church, and it got in through our Leadership. Pastor, Bishop, = Shepherd, watches over the sheep. Keeps the wolves out.
    If the Leadership was truly trusting and hearing from God we would not have the “world” (Egypt)
    in the body of Christ. They would rely on the leading of the Holy Spirit! We have stopped inviting Him into our services across this nation.

    Jesus is coming back soon people we need to be in a state of readiness, no man knows the day nor the hour when the Son of man will appear. The enemy has brought strong distratctions in the body of Christ, they are, money, fame, possessions, houses, cars, record and movie contracts,
    lust, power, etc.

    Will you be ready when Jesus comes?

  40. r1ck3y said

    LEAVE TONEX ALONE.

    u dont know him and basically whatchu say is opinionated and u need to get your facts str8 Tonex is a human just like everyone else and he has shortcomings just like everyone else and it is wrong of u to judge the man of God so harshly…leave that to God as far as i know TONEX is good in my book because no matter whatchu say TONEX is annointed and i know this from personal experiences

  41. r1ck3y: Your other two comments were not approved because they contained profanities.

  42. Debbie said

    Healtheland,

    Sorry, I didnt mean to make folk cuss.

  43. Marcus said

    Excellent, Keeping enlightening the masses. We can surely use these last days.

  44. Debbie said

    The Word of God gives me the go ahead to judge good and bad fruit. There is something else that God gives to us, its called discernment, use it!

    The truth hurts doesnt it? It will also set you free; I know it did me. I’m so glad that the Spirit of Lord has opened my eyes to the truth of His word, and has taught me to know what is of Him and what is not.

    Saints of God I urge you all to read your word daily and pray, seek the Fathers face, it’s getting so now, you can’t tell the saints from the aints, Why is that? We so want to see how close to the edge we can get to world, like some of the children of Israel, they didnt want to let Egypt go, thats why the Majority of them died in the wilderness never entering into their promised land.

    You see that word Majority, I have learned in this life you don’t follow the Majority; you may ask why? Read this:

    Matthew 7:13-14

    13″Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

    As you can see, the Majority always take the broad road, I believe the broad road is paved with lights! glamour! Riches! etc, it has everything that appeals to the flesh, and because the Majority take that road, one may feel its ok to do so, but Jesus admonished us against taking this road people! The strait and narrow road is like almost walking a thin line, you have to walk it carefully, you can do so by walking closely with Jesus!

    Healtheland, keep on doing what you are doing, Cry Loud and Spare not. We need more Watchmen on the Wall like you!

  45. Debbie: Thank you for your encouragement. Are you a watchman on the wall as well?. God bless you!

  46. Debbie said

    I dont know if I am Healtheland, but one thing for sure, I know the the Lord and He knows me, and I know his word. He is teaching me to know what the Good and the Bad fruit look like. It is His desire that we all know what it looks like. We even have to look at our own fruit. Check it out, the word of God says we are to Examin ourselves, We are to work out our own soul salvation with fear and trembling.

    I know you take a lot of flack from the folks but you keep standing guard for Jesus. For we are to endure hardship as a good Soilder. We are in a great army with an awesome General that has lead the way to Victory, all we have to do is follow his leading and Obey His every command.
    Obedience is the Key.

    I believe from reading His word, that our weapons are:

    1. Helmet of Salvation – protects the front of the forhead; (thought life)

    2. Breastplate of Righteousness – protects the chest area, (guard your heart for out of it flows the issues of life).

    3. Shield of Faith – blocks all of the fiery darts (lies,untruthes, false propehcies, false doctrines of men) of the wicked one.

    4. Loins guirded with Truth – you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.

    5. Feet shod with the Gospel of Peace

    6. Sword of the Spirit – the word of God, which is what Jesus used to defeat satan while in the wilderness.

    7. Prayer – we should pray always with much supplicaiton.

    I believe that these are the weapons that we as His soilders are to use in this mighty battle.

    I just wanted to encourage you on in this spiritual battle that we are in, like it says in his word: 12For our (A)struggle is not against (B)flesh and blood, but (C)against the rulers, against the powers, against the (D)world forces of this (E)darkness, against the (F)spiritual forces of wickedness in (G)the heavenly places.

    One thing for sure I know is this, we will never defeat these forces with carnality. I say all of this to say, Tonex and all of the other so called christian entertainers (not ministers) can use their flesh to entertain the people into christ all they want to, all they will ever do is entertain the flesh of the people. The word of God says, no flesh will glory in His presence.
    I know you know this already, but I will say it for the sake of those that don’t the Spirit of the Lord never appeals to the flesh, that comes from satan, he is the fleshy one. See, thats how one knows the difference in ones fruit.

    So yes, I am a watchman on His wall, its an honor to do so.

    God be with you.

  47. Jomari said

    I have been doing a lot of reading and keeping up with Tonex’s progression and sentiments recently. I believe in the Trinity and that we are saved by our faith and confession of sins to the One Lord & GOd through his SOn Jesus CHrist and I study my word a lot and I am familiar with a lot of it, but I am definitely still growing..

    I am personally in agreement with Debbie in regards to the fruit and the harvest. Tonex may be wili’n, but I am going to let his fruit be what I judge by. As of now, I see thistles and a likelihood of bitter fruit, but I am just praying for discernment and how one can help those that will be tripped up by what is happening.

    Especially my boy Ricky up there. He is a true ride or die fan and this progression of things ways heavily on younger christians because Tonex is one of the people that speaks what is in the hearts of my generation -25 and under.

    Tonex is real for a lot of people and that is what is good. Last month I would have been peaches with his return, but I do believe he has a lot to work out if he wants to bring the word of God, interestingly enough, I dont think that is his focus right now.
    SO yeah, he can comeback too me as long as he is making it clear that he is confused right now and thatthe path he is on, is his alone, but that isnt what he is doing, my boy, my friend, my tie for favorite artist is making a Truman show of his “naked truth” and causin’ a level of chaos. And like I said, this is where fruit comes in to me, what is going to be the result at the end of the day for the unbeliever, if they turn to God and repent then….. HEY

    I know that PErsonal JEsus was there at the beginning of my Christ-walk and is music has been there when I was tired of “Traditional” contemporary Gospel, but I have always listened to what he says.

    AND anyone after this reading this, be real careful about just completely just outright trusting anything someone says without reading for yourself, be it me, HEAL, TONEX, BISHOPS, FRED HAMMOND, ANYONE!
    STUDY AND SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED!

  48. Jomari: Thank you for your comments. Please do me a favor and read my follow up http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2007/05/23/tonex-is-back-is-that-a-good-thing-yes/ and let me know what you think. I hope that it is quite similar to what you expressed. I am still weighing whether to buy Tonex’s new album, because my son really loves his music. But some of this stuff is really problematic. I am listening to TobyMac (familiar with DC Talk?) right now, and he has his small son rapping (of course, he writes the lyrics), and his son says that he is “ballin’, shot callin’”. What are these people thinking? Certainly TobyMac must know that “ballin’” is a reference to A) homosexual sex, B) hard alcoholic beverages (Paul said to drink WINE for your many infirmities, not whiskey, malt liquor, etc.), and C) illegal drugs. Shot callin? More of the same; innuendo relating to abominable sexual activity, drug/alcohol use, and possibly violence. Things like this are what a lot of the Christian artists trying to reach the young market need to avoid, especially when they use the same rock/hip-hop terminology that came out of the prison culture, the drug culture, and the homosexual culture. You are aware that tons of these secular rap, R&B, and rock artists are homosexual and bisexual, right? But the media never reports it because they WANT to corrupt your mind, and it should be the job of Christian artists to renew us from it.

  49. Debbie said

    It is not what goes into a man that defiles him; it is what comes out of him that defiles him.
    The man needs to sale records its not about serving Jesus. People as I said before the fruit speaks for itserlf, you don’t need discernment to see that. Stevie Wonder can see it. We are in the Last days and there will be a great falling away. Lets pray people.

  50. Denise said

    G.Craig, has been hollering about this stuff in the Body of Christ for years now and everybody said he was crazy and is teaching false doctrine. All I have to say is, the word of God will not return unto him void, it will accomplish that which he sent it forth to do.

    Saints of God Please wake up before it’s to late. Come out form among them and be ye seperate saith Lord!

  51. AJ said

    Wow.. this is really crazy how people r respondin 2 this song. 1st off i was raised in the church since i was born and i am a PK (preachers kid) and i have seen everything that goes on in the church.. it is more crazier in tha church than in the world alot of the times!! you have people that hate on you, cheat, lie, judge, use curse words and everything else in the book… but as soon as someone that sings gospel and is a preacher gets fed up with the way he is treated in the church and comes out against people that are supposedly so saved and thou art holy then we say that tonex is of tha devil and all the above.. me personally i liked that he came out with all that he had been goin thru and said wat he said (not all the cursing tho)… i want 2 kno that the man that is guiding me to get 2 heaven is goin thru real things to just like me. i mean wat can i say to a man that is not goin thru pain cause i go thru it everyday.. so wat i am sayin is should he have goin about it a different way? probable.. but i am glad he got it off his chest and said somethings that are true about that church that alot of people even christians probable want 2 say but just dont have that big stage 2 say it… so b4 u start judging him then look yourself in tha mirror because got made nobody perfect and u not no where near perfect… we all r workin with tryin 2 get there.. so just pray 4 tonex.. because in the end what u think and say or i think and say matters… the only thing matters is his relationship with god which no one knows about but him and god…

  52. Justin Cottrell said

    The Trinity is completely unbiblical! And then to go and bash on people who don’t believe in the non-existing trinity is even more wrong than that. I know this has nothing to do with Tonex and all of his mistakes (like no one ever made a mistake before) but oneness and the Pentecostal experience is real AND biblically sound. So, don’t bash it!

  53. Justin Cottrell: OK, anti – Trinitarian heretic. First off, you did not read my post, because it clearly states that Tonex believes in Trinity. I was pointing out that he had failed to separate himself from anti – Trinitarians. Second, I will try you with questions. Who did Jesus Christ pray to? When Jesus Christ was getting baptized, whose voice spoke from heaven, and what descended on Him like a dove? When Jesus Christ referred to His Father in Heaven, who was He speaking of? When Jesus Christ said “I go to return to my Father”, who was He talking about? When the scripture says “My God said unto my Lord, sit thou on mine right hand until thine enemies are thy footstool”, who is the God and who is the Lord? And whose right hand is Jesus Christ sitting on? The Bible says that a thing is true only if it is established in the mouth of two or more witnesses. So, who bears witness of Christ in Heaven? Of the Father in Heaven? Of the Holy Spirit in heaven? Answer these questions. And by the way … the word “incarnation” isn’t in the Bible either. Do you know what the word “incarnation” refers to?

  54. Kim said

    As I sit here and read. All I ask is what is your passion behind your writings. Is your passion to win souls to Christ or to just be right?
    I believe in Acts 2:38. I also believe that as Tonex began to speak the truth there was severe attack. I will continue to pray for him and all the saints of the most High God.
    I call Him Master, Savior, Healer, Deliverer, Provider, My Banner, My Comforter, and Father. The first the last the beggining and the end the alpha the omega the one that died for my sins. I call him Jesus!
    Praise Him
    Kim

  55. Kim: Tonex spoke plenty of truth, including a song about the truth of God’s Tri – Unity on his first album. Unfortunately, he failed to separate himself from those that speak and traffic in lies. I am not trying to be right. I make plenty of mistakes on this weblog, and when someone informs me of the error, I acknowledge it publicly and remove the wrong. I am trying to let people know that God is right so that they can be saved. Therefore, let God be true, and every man be a liar. And a key part of that truth is God’s Tri – Unity. See, either trinitarians are liars or the oneness pentecostals are liars. We cannot both be right. So if you had a zeal for God’s Word and the true gospel, you would be on here denouncing me as a polytheist that needs to come out of the lies of Hellenistic paganism. So yes, I believe in Acts 2:38, for it is in the Bible. But I also agree with the doctrines contained in this post: http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2007/08/04/if-trinity-is-untrue-then-so-are-the-hebrew-scriptures/ The truth matters, because God is Truth.

  56. Kim said

    I guess I am still unclear about your passion. I see you are a person who knows the word. No doubt about that. Maybe I was not clear. What I want to know is ,do you believe one that is filled with the same holy ghost that you are filled with and baptized in Jesus name is unsaved? I never say that trinatarians are liars! I never would. I do no blaspheming against the Holy Ghost. Im ever learning and yes with zeal. I may not use big words like some do but I do love the Lord with all my heart, soul and mind.
    When I minister to people who have no idea about a savior I tell them all I know about Jesus. For by no other name shall we be saved.

  57. Kim: My passion is for the gospel that was once delivered to the saints. I wish for the unsaved to be saved with this gospel. I also wish for the saved not to be defiled with lies. You have both the Old Testament and New Testament to bear witness of this. In the Old Testament, as soon as God brought the children of Israel out of Egypt, they had Aaron build a golden calf and began worshipping it, following after the pagan abominations of Egypt. Then as soon as God brought them into Israel, they began worshipping the Canaanite gods. The same with the church in the New Testament. As soon as churches were found in Corinth, Galatia, etc. these folks started going after Roman paganism and Hellenistic philosophy. You know what the real danger was? It wasn’t their totally abandoning God in a sense. Instead, it was syncretism; their claiming that the Canaanite gods or the Roman gods could be worshipped alongside Yahweh, or that they were Yahweh, or that their nature and action was the same as Yahweh. The northern kingdom of Israel, the 10 lost tribes, were especially notorious for that … they even started claiming that God had a wife, because they God Yahweh mixed up with Baal and Ashtoreth. But the New Testament churches did the same … a ton of cults and false doctrines came out during that time. And this is the spiritual warfare aspect. What motivates those false doctrines are DEMONS. And the very same DEMONS that put the lie in the heads of the Israelites that God had a wife, the same DEMONS that put the lie in the heads of the church that certain people have secret knowledge, special revelation, and special powers from God … those DEMONS are STILL AROUND TODAY. Yes, we have to bind and rebuke and cast out those demons with the Name of Jesus Christ. But really, that is only a part of the battle. The main part of the battle is exposing the operation of these demons by pointing out their lies, by showing that their lies do not line up with the Word of God, which is eternal. See, people have to WANT to be delivered from doctrinal demons. Before that doctrinal demon can be cast out of a person, a person has to admit that he is following lies and that there is only one way, and that he wants to be delivered from the lie. AFTER that happens, THEN you can deal with the demon that is the author of the lie and the confusion. That is why I am on here letting people know that their defiling themselves with what goes on in and outside the church is wrong. It is up to them whether they will hear what the Bible says about their conduct and desire to be free, or to continue in bondage. The main thing to remember is that God is in control. God is sovereign. If God desires that a person be free, that person will be freed. Even if it is 20 or 40 years from now, it will happen. Maybe 30 or 40 years from now that person that God desires to free, God will cause that person to remember what they read on this weblog, which is not my weblog but God’s weblog. Or maybe not. But the main thing is that I am dedicated to doing what is God’s Will. That is really all that I can do, which obey God, which is my only job, and then to let God take care of the rest as He sees fit. Now I ask of you a favor: to pray for me. Pray that I would continue to serve the Lord, and that I would do so with boldness, meekness, subservience, humility, mercy, and most of all love. And I will pray that you do the same. Thank you.

  58. Kim said

    So,those of us who worship Jesus are being taught wrong? Im not worshipping Baal,Buddah,Mohammad,or any other false Godand or idols just Jesus. That is all I want.

    I’m still not sure on the answer to my question about salvation for oneness believers. It really is a yes or no question. Your post above is maybe just over my head,(you truely are one deep brother). So I will ask again, Do you believe those of us who believe in three distinct personalities,Father, Son and Holy Ghost in one true God are not saved.

    Yes of course I will pray for you, you are my brother in Christ. I love you with the love of the Lord.
    Praise Him,
    Kim

  59. Jaqueline Brown said

    I just wanna say that Tonex is an extremely talented man of God. Why must we who call ourselves followers of Christ thrive on bashing him? Why not walk in love? Is that really too hard of a concept for us to grab? Tonex, if you are reading these emails, I want you to know that u are loved here in Germany. I pray that the Father continue to restore you. I am a huge fan and aniticipate your upcoming album. I love you with the love of Jesus. Take care of yourself and God bless you!!

  60. Tonex is an anointed artist and deserves the mercy everyone begs for when they come to God. show mercy and it will be shown to you likewise. pray for him,so that he can come back and make a mark in this dark brutal world. then he and we alike, christians everywhere will bruise satan under our feet, and have the victory God has promised to us through his Son Jesus. the one the world rejected likewise because his style was unorthodox. Don’t put out the light, shame on all the haters

  61. Maurice said

    I must say that reading this post has been a journey for me and it has helped to cement my beliefs in Christ. I 100% agree with healtheland, and from reading the various responses that have been given it is clear that there are persons who have CHOSEN not to see the light. It is not about bashing Tonex or any other gospel artist but rather about enlightenment and providing you brothers and sisters in Christ with guidance along the straight and narrow path. The bible does explain that the path to destruction is broad and this is clear looking at the compromising morals and declining standards prevalent withing christianity today. The amazing revealation to me is this: (which was first realised in the garden of eden) God has defined CLEARLY the boundaries of christianity for us in His word however, it is apparently the GOAL of many new age ministers and gospel artists to see how close we can come to the boundary without “crossing over” and in so doing caused many a young believer to stumble.

    Grace & peace be unto you
    -m

  62. denise said

    wow, El. Craig was right, a fan is a true follower no matter what artist today do they will uplift them even if they are wrong.

  63. Nigel said

    Somewhere in the process of trying to seperate right from wrong many of us have forgotten how to tell the truth compassionately. Do we really think that a person who believes in oneness will be persuaded to believe in the trinity by reading this? Do we think that a fallen artist who is trying to get back up (truthfully I really don’t know what he is trying) would be streghtened by this? Do we think that even secular artist who read this would be encouraged to embrass the gospel with this sort of delivery.

    Understand that this is the internet and that anybody can read this. Let us think about the effects our words would have on somebody before we write them. When Jesus spoke to the women at the well, he didn’t call her a whore, when he certainly could have, because it was truth, but he didn’t. Also understand that it is possible to be walking in God and not truely understand who is really is (I’m referring to the oneness vs. trinity thing), because the disciples walked with Christ for years without knowing exactly who he was. Let us also try to look at what people are saying connotatively, because semantics only lead to more confusion. A little boy saying that he is “ballin, shot callin’,” (even though the phrase ballin’ originally didn’t have them meanings it does now, and actually refered to literally playing basketball) doesn’t really know what that means, and most likely his parent doesn’t either.

    I could write more, but just remember that the devil doesn’t waste his time on people he already has, because he has to many other people out their that he wants to take to hell with him. He only wants to weaken those who are strong, and if we beat on people he has weakened ( even by mistake), it will that much harder for them to get their strenght back.

  64. JT said

    I am a Tonex supporter, but even moreso a lover of Christ…therefore before I comment I’m gonna pray and seek direction from Christ. You have really studied and obtained accurate material that seems hard if not impossible to refute. I still believe that it is far from the truth concerning this brother. I also believe that many of the things you stated above were taken out of context and misinterpreted (especially regarding the Erykah Badu and Matrix statements). Nevertheless your article appears to be against the anti-Trinitarian ministers. I do believe that Jesus was the fulfillment of the Trinity and that essentially Jesus was the earthly embodiment of the Trinity. Well before I start off…let me challenge you and ask you…what have you done to advance the kingdom of Christ lately. Who’s life have you influenced? I’m not saying that to “check” you but it is strictly out of love. You will know a tree by the fruit it bears and honestly this brother has gotten and is getting the message of Christ (an accurate) message of Christ to people that will never step foot in a church or more less go to seminary or theology school. I think that often times we forget the fact that the message (the word of God) is powerful in itself and it is sharper than a two edged sword. We start looking at the messenger and decide that s/he’s not qualified or does not have the authority to say certain things because of a certain belief system of way of life. Even if we disagree with Tonex’s theological preferences, don’t agree with his lifestyle, or think his belief are skewed or “messed up” to say the least, then we have to agree that through his records he is still professing Christ. There are countless songs where he has proclaimed and declared scripture. This message is still powerful, simply because it is the word of God. Can a messenger taint the message??? Yes. But not if its a direct quote from the Word of God. Impossible. Could a messenger take a verse out of context???? Yes. But I have not heard a song in which Tonex has done that. Now I’d just like to go on record and state that I do agree with Tonex’s message and liken it to a modern day Christ. Tonex and the Holy Hip Hop Movement (Cross Movement, Da Truth, Eddie Velez, at least the one’s that i know of) are the closest version of a modern day first century church that I’ve ever seen. The evangelism is there. The apostolic authority is there. The prophetic is there. The efforts toward making disciples of Christ and teaching is there. The pastoral aspect is there. And the sincerity are there. Now I’m sure you’ll come back and say something to the extent of “you didn’t deny anything I said” or “you’re just another tonex fan” or possibly even “you’re demonic”. (lol). However, I hope that we can both agree to let the wheat grow with the tares and when its time for harvest see which one Christ decides to put in the bundle and light ablaze in the end. Someone who’s excellent at arguing the difference between Trinitarian/Anti-Trinitarian theology or a movement that is transforming and changing lives through the blood of the lamb and words of testimonys. One that is long on doctrine and short on annointing, or one that has people throwing weed on the altar and giving up sin for a holy lifestyle. I am so tired and sleepy (i think its like 5am)typing this and so i’ll probably read it tomorrow and recognise some additional information that I left out. I truly appreciate your opinion and your right to free speech and ability to publish a blog and generate a nice response. I definitely will read more posts and respond. Take care.

  65. Stan said

    WOW!

    It’s so sad to see that whenever someone tells the truth, church folks pile on and kill the messanger instead of considering the message. “To whom much is given, much is required.” Tonex is wrong – period.

    In Tonex’s interview with Path magazine, he admits that he is influened greatly by non-Christian philosophies and he was “proud” of the success of the Naked Truth which is an abomination before the Lord and brings shame to the Christian church (regardless of the denomination).

    But he knew that he could get away with it because a good number of Christians don’t study the Word or pray – therefore we have no Godly discernment. Our view is just as secular and carnal as the worlds. That’s why you have people on this blog idolizing and defending and whitewashing a hypoorit who has stood in GOD’s pulpit every Sunday without fear of the Lord judging him.

    All of this softpeddling going on around the net is not compassion; it’s cowardess. Why? Because we’re scared that one day we could be in his shoes. The bottom line is that we ought to put into practise what Jesus said “If you love me, keep my commandments” which He also summed up as “love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind and soul and your neighbor as yourself.” Don’t you know that this no different for striving to keep the 10 commandments. Yes, we have grace but if you carefully look at 1 John 1:1-9, grace is there “should” we stumble. Stumbling shouldn’t be a lifestyle. What did Paul ask? Should we sin so that grace may abound? God forbid!

    If Tonex would have spit out those words in a moment of anger during an interview, I would understand. BUT he didn’t. He took his time and planned it out, added music to it and recorded it (not to mention, rehearsed it). And ever since then, every radio station and website has to bleep his curse words out of every interview -of the preacher? Come on guys- even gangster rappers clean their mouths up for interviews. This guy has become a cursing machine. And not to mention his arrogance about the whole thing. This is not judging. These are the facts.

    In Tonex’s interview with Path magazine, he asked the question “Don’t you think I thought this through?” My response to him is, yes, I think you did.

    Sure, I want to see him restored and back to normal but I’m not going to put my allegience to Tonex above my allegience to God- period.

  66. net said

    I think it a very sad day for the individual who wrote this commentary. There is no need to address the issues at this point in the article, but rather to ask how did you become judge and jury of so many people. I wonder if we really believe the scripture that says what you sow you reap? it is a good thing that we have time on our side or do we? at least if we do it gives a time to change are mind and correct what at first glance my appear in our eyes to be correct, but when looked at by God we find that we were deceived by our own thoughts. Does not all desire a right to change or is it just the gosple through your own eyes that taints so many correct? Think about it? article wriiten to cause people to chose a side but who is you brother? who is your sister? do you know? I think a careful look at the scriptures will help you see better. For the letter kills but the Spirit gives life. which do you subcribe to? Now Father in the name of Jesus touch the individual who wrote this article and open their eyes that they may see through Yours. Move such in their life that they may see that that they can not see, show them their own heart in a way that they can not hide from what you reveal and then Lord bless them to concede to your will, in Jesus name amen

  67. denise said

    its good that your allegience is to God if you are waiting on Tonex to change you are sadly mistaken, when money is involved people will do anything to get it especially those who love it.
    Like the bible says, the love of money is the root of all evil, money in and of itself is not evil its the love it; why do you think all of these so called men and women of God are building edifices unto themselves?

    We all must remember when saints get into the entertainment business they will compromise!
    Most of them say we want to change the industry by bringing Christ into it, but most of the time it (the industry) changes them. The word of God says, “Be not conformed to this world but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind.

    It’s the money folks, why do you think Yolanda Adams music has changed? Its changed because the industry knows that its the youth who spend the most money buying this music so Yolanda and others like her to have to appeal to the youths sound! It’s got to have a funky beat if its going to sale.

    Jesus when He walked this earth, did eat with sinners and publicans, but He never conformed to the sins of this world. He changed the atmosphere; it did not change Him.

    Tonex and others like him are gonna do what they have to do to make that dollar it really aint about the souls of the people.

  68. Jim Thio said

    Intelligent Design, Incompetence Design, Guided Evolution, Pure Evolution. Which one do you believe in?

  69. denise said

    which one do you believe in?

  70. r1ck3y said

    Denise…..how ru gonna speak up on TONEX like that?

    You dont know his mind nor his motive so dont be accusing him of some kind of Money lover……..

    Take it from someone who knows TONEX personally….it aint all just about money for my boy TONEX sometimes music exposure in a sense of transparent expression and general audience reaction is pricele$$

  71. djenk23 said

    HTL:
    ballin’” is a reference to A) homosexual sex, B) hard alcoholic beverages (Paul said to drink WINE for your many infirmities, not whiskey, malt liquor, etc.), and C) illegal drugs. Shot callin? More of the same; innuendo relating to abominable sexual activity, drug/alcohol use, and possibly violence

    ballin basically means “I’m living large” or “I have lots of money”….shot callin means “I’m the boss so I call the shots”…
    ..most of the time, ballin and shot callin are used together…Ballin, shot callin=”I pay the bills, so I pay the cost to be the boss”…Ballin is also used in basketball…”Boy oh boy, Lebron was ballin on them dudes today”…I’ve seen ballin and shot callin used any other way…

  72. djenk23 said

    that should read “I’ve never seen ballin and shot callin used any other way”

  73. M said

    With regards to the Tonex situation:
    Jesus said let He who is without sin cast the first stone. Who ever you are who wrote the beginning of this slanderfest may I suggest you go back to basics, reread how Jesus dealt with sin and the fallen. Now is the time for you to shut your mouth and open it only to pray AS THE HOLY SPIRIT LEADS. I don’t know which spirit it was that led you to write as you did but you are most judgemental…not opinionated which is different. Check yourself and your mouth, and read what scripture has to say about the tongue.

  74. M:
    What kind of stones are you throwing? They look pretty sharp to me! In shape, they look rather large and intrusive in comparison to the pebbles thrown on this board!
    Within the full view of the scripture that you are refering to in James, I think you yourself have clearly made that scripture valid on the basis of your own tyraid. Next time you would like others not to “judge”, maybe you should set the example!

  75. denise said

    ricky , i can speak on tonex because he puts it out there like that for the whole entire public to view and hear. i call em as i seem em. you cannot deny HOLINESS when you see it and on him i dont in his music or lifestyle.

    did not the word of God says for us to judge from within? we are not suppose to judge the world it aint time for that yet or did you not know? we can judge those that are suppose to be in the body. we can judge a person’s fruits; dont you examin your fruit before you purchase it.

    just because you like tonex dont mean he is right, you like his music just say that.

  76. Christian Doc said

    The TRUTH is…….Right, wrong or indifferent, after reviewing your entries on this BLOG the first thing I did was compare its content to the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23).

    Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is LOVE, JOY, PEACE, LONGSUFFERING, GENTLENESS, GOODNESS, FAITH, Gal 5:23 MEEKNESS, TEMPERANCE: against such there is no law.

    Needless to say, I could not find any of the fruit in your entry. JESUS SAID in Matthew 7:16 that we will know men by the fruit they bear. ARE THESE TRULY GOOD SEEDS AND WILL THIS “EXPOSURE” BEAR GOOD FRUIT?

    If your intentions are wrong in the least jot or tittle, you are guilty of wrongdoing. You seem to possess an UNNATURAL JOY AND DUTY in publicly condemning, criticizing and humiliating saints with (alleged) sins on THE WORLD STAGE.

    Luk 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you, good measure, pressed down and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. FOR WITH THE SAME MEASURE THAT YE METE WITHAL IT SHALL BE MEASURED TO YOU AGAIN.

    I ask and pray for the latter part of God’s JUDGMENT upon YOU, GOOD OR BAD, also on THE WORLD STAGE, but MORE HASTILY. All too often self-righteous Christians invoke the precepts of Titus 2:15 as part of their reasoning/duty for “exposing” or gossiping;

    Tit 2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and REBUKE WITH ALL AUTHORITY. Let no man despise thee.
    - However -
    They fail to READ THE VERSES immediately FOLLOWING. THE NEXT CHAPTER ALSO goes ALONG WITH the INSTRUCTIONS of correction AND rebuke.

    Tit 3:1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,
    Tit 3:2 TO SPEAK EVIL OF NO MAN, to be no brawlers, but gentle, showing all MEEKNESS unto all men.
    Tit 3:3 FOR WE OURSELVES ALSO WERE SOMETIMES FOOLISH, DISOBEDIENT, deceived, SERVING DIVERS LUSTS AND PLEASURES, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.

    You’ve outlined sins and abominations on multiple pages of this BLOG. Lest not forget Proverbs 6 as it may apply to you.
    Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate:yea, SEVEN ARE AN ABOMINATION UNTO HIM:
    Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
    Pro 6:18 A HEART THAT DEVISETH WICKED IMAGINATIONS, FEET THAT BE SWIFT IN RUNNING TO MISCHIEF,
    Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that SOWETH DISCORD AMONG BRETHREN.

    Regardless of whether or not you intend them to be, YOUR ACTIONS ARE AN ABOMINATION because you are SOWING DISCORD on a portion of the largest scale there is, THE WORLD STAGE.

    In your “exposure” and wrath, you’ve completely failed to acknowledge Galatians 5:14-26 in this endeavor. It clearly warns against wrath, which in turn, belongs to God. Nevertheless, free will is yours and as with all of us, searching the soul is an individual responsibility especially if we really want desire God’s will.

    What profiteth a man the whole world if he loses his soul. Are you gaining the whole world by main-staging several people, while losing your soul? Could that be the case IF you are wrong? After all, you are not omniscient. Again search your soul and not highlight only PORTIONS of scripture while subduing the other INCLUSIVE parts.

    Finally, in whatsoever you do in word in deed, how can you forget the GREATEST COMMANDMENTS OF ALL. THUS SAITH THE LORD…….

    Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
    Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
    Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
    Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

    How can you correlate your actions with what JESUS states are the GREATEST COMMANDMENTS? The operative words are “JESUS” and COMMANDMENTS……..Where is the LOVE or even a portion of genuine love in your rebuke AND/OR CORRECTION? Hopefully you wouldn’t love yourself this way. I can see nothing good resulting from the sowing of these seeds.

    Remember, 2 Corinthian 5:19 states that God has the final judgment of guilt, GRACE and RECONCILIATION of our sins. Psalm 139 states, HE KNOWS ALL OF OUR THOUGHTS AFAR OFF…..AND INTENTIONS.

  77. tam said

    wow, get a life Doc!

  78. Prettyprophet said

    I have attended church since birth. I’ve been to Baptist Churches, Pentecostal Churches, and currently I attend an U.A.M.E. Church, never have I ever called myself a Baptist, a Pentecostal, or a Methodist. I am a Christian always have been. And in my 25 years of life I have never come across a Christian who did believe in the Triunity/Godhead. This site is really an eye opener. And I agree oneness is madness but to continue add Pentecostal to that will offend the wrong people whether they believe in oneness or not. I know it shouldn’t but it will…

    Though there’s is very little you said that I disagree with, I feel I must say “Tone and Reasoning is key”. For when you stand on Truth no man can shake you BUT you!

    Catching more flies with honey only works if you’re trying to catch flies! And these are the last days (sometime you have to be harsh) but we are fishers of men, please don’t let your want to help become stumbling block to those you intend on helping. Have you ever wondered about the “Great Turning Away” I know from you faithfilled words that you don’t want that. Please hear me when I say you can be 100% right in your thinking but 115% wrong I your approach. The best example I can give you is this…

    You will never see a professional with a PhD have a “peer minded” stimulating conversion with a child in Headstart or Pre-K.

    There are many babes out there looking for answers, many who were introduced to God through Tonex’s music, and we as “Professors” of the Truth must know how to test the waters before we jump in. (tone) Calling people heretics will never explain the (reasoning) Truth in the Word. It might be true of the person but now instead of educating to edify and elevate you end up arguing over foolishness. Great example…

    What if I were to tell you, you don’t have a son.

    YOU know you have a son, your SON knows you’re his parent, so who am I? How will you help (educate) me to see the TRUTH. Surely not by calling me crazy or foolish even though I would be. No you lay out bread crumbs for me to follow, as if I was lost in the woods of ignorance and you were my only way out. You would explain to me your proof, you would show me his birth certificate and IDs, pictures of him, and of course your SON himself.

    It is my this method that we must draw people to Christ. By showing them His historical documents, the OLD TESTIMENT. Pictures of Him, the books of the PROPHETS and PSLAMS. And of course the SON himself in the NEW TESTIMENT. But how can anyone expect to learn after an insult. That is NOT the manner in which CHRIST opperated.

    Every answer was the WORD. (Luke 7:36-50) When Mary washed His feet with her hair He did not say “Mary you’re a whore BUT due to your faith all is forgiven now go in peace”. He praised her desire and want to adore her Lord. He compared her to those around Him. He edified and lifted her spirit soo…and then on top of everything else gave her forgiveness!!!

    “Seeing they may see not, Hearing they may not understand”

    He didn’t say those things for the men in the room, He was blessing her! He was giving unto her! Mary met Christ on a level of expectation to praise and bless Him without a thought of getting something in return. And Christ being the AWESOME God He is with the total knowledge of GOD AND MAN gave Mary her true hearts desire….to be forgiven AND to finally be seen as worthy in the eyes of those who judged her. (Those who thought they knew her)

    She was never the same…and you my dear Heal have that same oopurtunity with every person you meet on this site. You can meet them on their level and then return to yours or you can simply extend a hand and help them up to yours. (i.e. Alison) It started off rocky even though she wrote she didn’t want to attend church anymore, but once you saw her and where she…you changed it up.

    So my friend just be mindful and I will keep you in my prayers.

  79. tam said

    wow, now prophets are pretty, i have never in my life seen so many people use the things of God to draw attention to themselves, the focus is CHRIST not we ourselvs.

    what have we come to as a church? He said If I be lifted up from the earth I will draw all men unto me.

  80. johnkaniecki said

    Tam,

    But still we must lift Him up. We must do our part. If someone lifts a snake on a stick it is our duty to say “Hey that’s a snake on a stick.”

    If we get the Lord on the Cross displayed in our actions then they can say “Hey I see Jesus there and His great love.”

    You can give me a pretty or an ugly prophet for all I care. I don’t look at the outside anyway, as true beauty comes from within. The withered hands are the most delicate, strong and trustworthy.

    Love,

    John

  81. tam said

    Yes, but even Jesus didnt glory in his reputation as it says in Phil. 2.
    Pretty, ugly or not we are to draw the atttention from ourselves on to him and him only.
    Jesus’ main concern was doing the Fathers business and not making a reputation for himself.
    As you have seen in the world today all of those who have made a name for themselves in the body of Christ have come crashing down.

    love,

    tam

  82. WYSEWOODE said

    After reading the comments in Healtheland’s article,i can understand the purpose.If your’e saved,you want to support artists who desire to be right and act right.Christians have freedom,but not the freedom to act and respond in a way that could have the true purpose of Christianity to distorted.I had the pleasure of meetting Tonex when he leading the aTTAQ youth choir just before he went solo.A lot has changed since then.There are MANY christian artists who work with and write for secular artists,i don’t need to mention names,but what is the content?It is time be to God and not goal minded.Just keep Tonex in your prayers-He’ll be alright.

  83. zanele Mahlangu said

    Zanele from SA
    I love Tonex music and I think he’s the best I have ever come across.We all make mistakes but God is a forgive God He never counts our faults.

  84. E.Bert Todd said

    Blessings to all:
    For those of you who continue to defend, commend, encourage, and make excuses for Tonex/T-Boy/Pastor Anthony Williams, (and whatever other aliases he uses) I would request that you please read his most recent blog. Click here Or use the URL:
    http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=313284360&blogID=357161601

    and please tell me what the man is saying, and what you interpret. I am not going to excerpt it for you, so that it cannot be said that anything is being taken out of context.
    Above all else family, please PRAY FOR THIS MAN, and the people that he influences! Some of the comments are as saddening as the post itself.
    Praying,

    EBT

  85. Ms lee said

    Tonex it’s Ms Lee here, Man God is watching over you and will help through all your hardships. I hope you remain strong inspite of all odd. Take the word of God and read it everyday. He is your strength. I love your music and your voice is amaizing. May God fight all your battles make you better in life.I don’t if the things that are written are true but all I know is that No one has a right to judge you. Please stay in the shadow of his wings.Stay in Jesus,Don’t be decived by glamour and other things about money.Get rid of all these lime light life in the world. Live for God alone not human beings. It’s not wrong to make money with your gift but becareful what you sing and the attitude you use. God will bless you if you live right and trust in him in all your ways. You are a role model to many people and you can use that for the kingdom of God to your advantage. May God be with you as you record your new Album. Looking forward to it

  86. hey i love your music you inspire me

  87. sigaophobia said

    Became a Tonex fan a couple of years ago. His music style was so difficult to get into. But when I finally did, it was over Make Me Over again… Brought healin to my life.

    My testimony
    I have been born again for as long as I can remember. My father is a pastor, my mother a prayer warrior, so I was raised in the church. I am a musician by giftin I have worked on only a couple of projects that I believe God will use to further His Kingdom. I have worked with many secular artists and it’s helped put food on the table on many difficult occasions. I am not ashamed of my involvement in the secular music industry.

    A few years ago, I moved in with a woman that I was datin and we set up shack. Lived together for a year. During this whole time, in my heart, I still held Jesus Christ Lord and still hungered for a relationship with him. the funny thing is, even while livin in sin, I found comfort in knowin that He loved me unconditionally. And knowin that made me want to straighten out my ways without anybody bashin me over the head with a bible and tellin me that I was destined for the deepest pit of hell. I found that His love drew me to a fear of Him. And I broke off the relationship and I repented.

    I am now involved with a beautiful young godly woman, who I plan to make my wife. We have made a promise to each other to abstain and in every facet of our relationship, make the Lord the foundation. “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.” Hear is somethin I learnt out of this: If the words U R expected to hear are shouted directly onto your ear drum, they become distorted and the message unclear. You are more likely to respond out pain rather than listen any further.

    However, should these same words be whispered lovingly in your ear, they draw your attention and more often than not, find their way to your heart.

    I am not here to defend Tonex’s actions. But I do know that God does not take repentance lightly.

    David was one of the most gifted musicians that ever lived. This is a man who committed adultery with a woman that was not his own. And God said: This is a man after My own heart. (Act 13:22) This is a man who then tried so hard to hide his sin instead of repenting – trying to get Uriah to sleep with Bathsheba, hopin Uriah would think the child was his. And God said: This is a man after My own heart. This is a man who then conspired to kill Uriah when his plans failed, and actually succeeded. And God said: This is a man after My own heart. This is a man who sinned even further and took Bathsheba as his own wife. What an insensitive act! And God said: This is a man after My own heart!

    Granted, god did not say that every time that David sinned. But God sent him a loving messenger in Nathan, who ministered to David directly (not on a public forum design to bring David to ill-repute). With firm but loving words, he brought David to a repentance such as has probably never been equaled! Psalm 51.

    Yes, we all need to run to the Lord and beg for Him to create in us a clean heart and renew a right spirit within us sometimes. And in all honesty, I don’t think there is a single person that has ever lived that has not fallen short of the glory of the Lord. But when we realise that, like a “prodigal father” He throws out His dignity, embraces us with His grace and welcomes us home without question.

    We also need to be careful that the truth does not choke us to lifelessness. We need to embrace the truth, and then it will set us free. First and foremost, we need to embrace the truth about ourselves and realise that only when we are without sin, are we qualified to cast the first stone. Not use it to choke to condemnation.

    Tonex, I respect your stand. That alone to me says that it can be done. That a real man of God sits back in introspection, lets God point out any areas of His life that may be a stumbling block, and then like a “real” person, works on correctin his shortcomings. It may take time. But it’s in the decision, and the backing of the Holy Spirit.

    Noah had a drinking problem. Jacob was a liar and a cheat. Leah was ugly. Joseph was arrogant and spoiled. Moses was a murderer with a speech impediment. Gideon was a coward; Rahab a prostitute; David an adulterer. Jonah was vindictive. Zachaeus was a crooked little man who was hated by everyone in town. The Samaritan woman had gone through a series of husbands. Paul was a religious fanatic…

    If God can accept and use such a sorry collection of possibly the basest of human beings, why would he not use a Kirk Franklin, a Tonex, a Cece Winans, a TD Jakes, a Tebogo?

  88. Job said

    sigaophobia:

    “Noah had a drinking problem. Jacob was a liar and a cheat. Leah was ugly. Joseph was arrogant and spoiled. Moses was a murderer with a speech impediment. Gideon was a coward; Rahab a prostitute; David an adulterer. Jonah was vindictive. Zachaeus was a crooked little man who was hated by everyone in town. The Samaritan woman had gone through a series of husbands. Paul was a religious fanatic…”

    You are making my point for me. First off, you need to actually read your Bible rather than listen to these liar preachers. Joseph was NOT arrogant or spoiled, quite the contrary the Bible called him a righteous man who suffered despite having done nothing wrong and prefigured Jesus Christ. He is portrayed as having done something wrong by modern Christians who teach that Christianity rewards you with health, wealth, and happiness and does not require persecution, so they have to make up lies about how Joseph and Job sinned or were at fault. Scripture only records Noah getting drunk ONCE. And where does scripture call it a sin to be ugly? Mainly, all of those people either A) lived under the old covenant or B) had those faults before they were born again. Therefore, none of those people had the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit to keep them from sin. That was why they had those faults and flaws. Once a person is born again, such faults and flaws should be washed away.

    Now of course, a person will still be tempted, a person will still sin, because the man who says that he is without sin is a liar. But a person should not live in continuous rebellion against Jesus Christ and a person should not continually excuse or justify their sin. If a person is doing that, then that person is neither born again or is struggling under the yoke of false doctrine and needs to be set free.

    Tonex curses worse than a sailor. He remains in the pulpit despite being divorced. He preaches the false prosperity/Word of Faith doctrine and lies on what I Corinthians says clear as day by claiming that you are not saved unless you have speak in tongues. And he is at this very minute writing and producing songs for that child molester Jehovah’s Witness Michael Jackson. And you want to talk about the gospel music industry? The gospel industry is FILLED with homosexuals, fornicators, and thieves. It is almost as bad as the rap/R&B industry. Yet NO ONE TALKS ABOUT IT! The only one that has was Kirk Franklin in a book that he released 10 years ago and hasn’t talked about it since, and Donnie McClurkin, who lest we forget is a pastor. Yet none of these “preachers” verbally opposes what goes on in that industry, and that includes Tonex, who was more than happy to receive that gospel music workshop award from Bobby Jones, who flames like a fairy, moved his operation from conservative Nashville to more gay friendly Miami, and actually appeared in a “black Christian homosexual” movie claiming that he no longer believed what the Bible said about homosexuality because he saw some medical expert say that it was natural on daytime talk shows.

    God requires us to obey Him. Right now popular Christianity that they market in gospel music, Christian movies, Christian books, and TV shows teach you that you can do whatever you want so long as you claim to be saved and have a testimony. Well, if you read for yourself the gospels, Jesus Christ said that those people will be cast into outer darkness where there would be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    They have a name for folks like me these days: Pharisees and legalists. Well Pharisees did not believe in Jesus Christ and added to the Bible. Legalists claimed that you were saved by works and not faith. I am neither one. Instead, I am someone who believes in what the Bible says, and the Bible says that you cannot continually purposefully disobey the Bible and go to heaven. Tonex probably thinks that because it is his father’s church and he can prophecy, sing, and speak in tongues that he can remain a pastor despite being divorced (not to mention preaching false doctrine while he is at it). BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS, IS IT? As long as people like you keep supporting this man, he will never have any motivation to change.

  89. MULROSE RED PILL POPPER said

    Tonex all I want you to do is get focused on saving Z.I.O.N all that other mess dont matter
    i believe in you i am a 38 year old mom of 3 and have been watching you grow ever since ….and i feel your hurt and i think you going through your east like elijah the prophet ravens will feed you meat and bread just enough to get by ….( thats all yu need) and then God is going to re-build, re-construct , upgrade you and send you out of east .
    that I prognocticate over your live and i DECREE you will come out sold out and empowered i pray deamons will melt in your shadow…….AMEN ….LUV YU FOR REEEEEEEL….MULLY

  90. sigaophobia said

    Job:

    I hear U and I agree with most of what U R sayin… But perhaps what I’m sayin is this: I think it’s high time that we are careful not to become a mouthpiece for the accuser of the brethren.

  91. nathan said

    ok for who ever wrote this article you sound just like some people that i have read about in the bible they where called pharisee and they where the only people that jesus actual spent time telling them that they where wrong. and then calling oneness pentecostals heresy wow. kinda hard to ignore stuff like hear o israel the lord our God is one.deut 6:4 and the father and i are one and have yu not beem with me so long to not know that when you have seen me you have seen the father. and your fav matt 28:19 reffers to the NAME of the father, then NAME of the son, and the NAME of the holy ghost. so what is that NAME it never said plural NAMES this is simple grammer these are all adj describing the NAME singular which is yahw=God. plus the word trinity is not found in the bible. this is a total man made idea which was thought up in the council of nicea 325 ad. and i dont want a man idea i want a God idea and i want to follow the people that actually where with jesus. so name me one person from the council of nicea that spent one min with jesus. the apostles never preached tri any thing and now where in the bible do you find them say repeat this prayer after me and they pray a prayer of salvation. they alwaysd baptized (in jesus name mind you) and then there was an evedencie of speaking in tounges that is just bible. and if all of this is so wrong why did every apostle and writer in the new testemant have the holy ghost with eved. by speaking in tounges and baptized in Jesus name. and just for fun why was Mary the mother of Jesus filled with the holy ghost by speaking in tounges on the day of pentecost and baptized in jesus name. and since i know that you are just going to call me a stupid person and that i dont know what i am talking about. remember that in MAtt 7 judge not less you be judge. so how righteous are you to judge?

  92. Job said

    nathan:

    The Bible gives born again Christians the right and authority to publicly discern and speak concerning the behavior of others claiming to be Christian, to rebuke, reprove, and warn people concerning their belief, to declare people that refuse to change as apostate and disfellowship them, and to warn people against following after their wicked ways. Such authority is given, referred to, and used all over the Bible, including the New Testament. I would urge anyone that is supporting the ministry or following anyone that preaches and lives against what the Bible actually says and means to actually spend time studying the Bible instead of going around quoting cliches like “judge not.” Listen, Jesus Christ did tell the Pharisees accusing the woman caught in the act of adultery “let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” But you know what? SHE WAS STILL AN ADULTERESS! So Jesus Christ turned to the woman and said “Go and sin no more.” How many of you that are so well versed in “let he that is without sin cast the first stone” are aware of “go and sin no more?” You are capable of quoting selected snippets, out of context, that these preachers feed you, but you do not know the meaning.

    Matthew 7 did say not to judge, but that saying wasn’t directed at me. Why? Again, go read your Bible. Who was Jesus Christ talking to? He WAS NOT speaking to the entire world. He WAS NOT speaking to His followers. He was speaking TO THE PHARISEES! He was saying that the PHARISEES had no right to judge anyone else because they themselves were unrighteous! This is not because the Pharisees were not totally sinless, because the Bible says that NO ONE BUT GOD is without sin, even the ones that believe God and have it counted for them by God as being righteous! No, the reason why the Pharisees did not have the right to judge, the reason why they were unrighteous, was because THEY REJECTED JESUS CHRIST!

    A person that has rejected Jesus Christ does not have the indwelling Holy Spirit that gives knowledge and discernment, and as such concerning spiritual things affecting the body of Christ cannot tell his right hand from his left! That is why if you turn the pages in your Bible a little bit, you will see Jesus Christ telling the very same people, the Pharisees and scribes, that He said to “judge not” that they were like the blind trying to lead the blind. Where in scripture are believers called blind? If believers are blind, then who can see? Nathan, this is why you have to learn to read the Bible for yourself with understanding, and not be spoon – fed false doctrines by liars who only want you to keep dropping money into the offering plate. Now I will grant you, not all of these folks do so to pay for their tailored suits, luxury automobiles, and huge mansions, a lot of them are just trying to pay the church mortgage and light bill. But would there be this huge need to pay all of these church mortgages and light bills if every street corner didn’t have a representative of each and every one of the Baptist/Methodist/Episcopal/Presbyterian/Pentecostal/Assemblies of God/COGIC/Apostolic/Church of Christ denominations, and possibly two or three of each? Hmmm …

    But a person that has the Holy Spirit because he is born again is qualified to make such judgments, because it is not He that is judging but rather the Holy Spirit that is doing the judging IF the judgment is based on the believer’s reading and understanding of the Bible, which is the Word of God, and Jesus Christ is the Word of God made flesh! So what gives me the right to judge Tonex on matters touching scripture? TWO PERSONS OF THE HOLY TRINITY, the Holy Spirit and the Word of God!

    Now you will NEVER HEAR THIS from a false preacher because a false preacher wants you to put him up on a pedestal so that you will worship HIM instead of God. The false preacher desires God’s place, to receive the praise that should go to the Most High. The false preacher exalts himself and tells himself “I can be like the most high.” Well I have news for you, nathan, the day that the false preacher decides that is the day that God finds iniquity in him! Do you want that same God to find that same iniquity in you?

    Look nathan, even if you will never agree that God gives every born again believer the ability to judge issues concerning the Bible, certainly you will agree that God Himself will judge. And on judgment day, what will God have to say about you contriving lies to justify following people that you yourself know in your heart are standing in the pulpit and not even trying to obey God’s Word? Nathan, Tonex is writing songs for Michael Jackson! A child molester! What is wrong with you people? What is it going to take? And Tonex endorses Juanita Bynum? What is this woman doing, competing with Paula White, Tammy Faye Bakker, and Yolanda Adams (I remember her “Out Tha Box” intro where she declared Tonex to be “the most anointed man in this city, in this country, in this world!”, don’t you?) to see who is going to have the most husbands while still calling herself a preacher?

    Now I am going to refer to one of the songs on “Out Tha Box” so you can understand. “Get right. Stop playing games. Jesus Christ is coming back soon.” Remember that? It was the one to that Family Feud game show beat. Tonex doesn’t even live by the lyrics of his own songs. Remember “That’s When You Blessed Me” on 02 when he stated that he wouldn’t allow financial pressures to end his marriage? Or the song “One Reason” on Pronounced Toe – Nay when he declared himself to not be concerned about never making money singing gospel because he wasn’t in it for the worldly gain? (That is right, I owned all of Tonex’s commercially released albums up until Oak Park, that mess that had all of the cursing on it, and I even bought “Out Tha Box” twice because I gave my first copy away as a gift, and I also bought the “Out Tha Box” concert movie. I drove my family to another state to see the guy perform in concert in freezing weather despite having a cold! You are not going to find a bigger fan of Anthony “Tonex” Williams than I was! But once I grew in Christ enough to see that this guy’s lyrics did not match the Bible and that his life didn’t even match his own lyrics, I had to decide to follow God rather than men.) What are you doing following a hypocrite who doesn’t even practice what he preaches?

  93. nathan said

    to job
    ok let me make this clear since i didnt in what i was saying before.my comments where not as much to or about tonex as to the fact that who ever wrote this article has a serious prob with oneness pentecostals so i just threw that last part in there cause really dont think this article was done in good taste at all.

    but i do think that GOd has given us the right to use diserment not to say how horriblw some one is casue of all the things they have done. that is gossip casue even if it is true you are still tearing that person down. i am in the ministry and my wife is a recording artist and i have had the chance to talk to tonex about this. and i have told him just like i will tell you i can not support his music until his life changes. just like i wouldnt support one of my youth bad decisons i wont support his. that does not mean that i go around telling ever one what they have done that just means that i cant say it was ok for this person to do what they did. that also does not mean that i wont be there for that person at all times. because just casue they messed up dosent mean that i dont love them. and yes i do know that jesus said go and sin no more but, they where still under old testament law meaning that grace had not come in to play yet. it is impossible for us to stop sining all we can do is let God pick us back up and make us over again and work on us.

    the bible says in psalms let a righteous man rubke me and it shall be as a sweet oil or fragrance unto me. so yes i think that it is ok when some one that is not living in sin to reprove me or rebuke me. like my pastor or a saint of god. but to you are not suppose to tell a person how wrong they are and how stupid there istake was you are suppose to use scripture and show them what the bible says and not what a certian person thinks. and also if you are going to judge or rebuke some one cause honestly no one can judge only GOd can do that. we can ony rebuke and reprove. but i do agree that i will not buy tonex stuff anymore until he get right where he needs to be.

  94. joe said

    this website was created by the devil

  95. Charles D. said

    I don’t think so. I think it is the traffic you meet coming in and out of here.

    But! You would know that by………………….?

  96. Job said

    nathan:

    I have serious problem with oneness pentecostals because they are heretics, apostates, and blasphemers. Are you not aware that oneness pentecostals did not exist until 1913? And that there are only 17 million of these people on the whole planet? No one had even heard of these people until Paul Crouch started putting them on TBN starting in the mid – 1990s. And now people are willing to battle to the (spiritual) death defending them, not because they agree with or are even familiar with their doctrines, but because they are loyal to the people that entertain them with their TV shows, books, tapes, etc. Look, the Bible clearly refers to the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit being different entities. The fact that they exist in that fashion while still being One is something that we have to accept on faith. Otherwise, you would have to accept that a movement of 17 million people that started in 1913 are the only group of people in 2000 years of Christianity that got it right! And no, they aren’t right. Oneness Pentecostals allow women preachers, which violates Timothy. Oneness pentecostals believe in prosperity/Word of Faith, which violates virtually everything in the Bible. Oneness Pentecostals believe that you are not saved unless you speak in tongues, which violates Corinthians. Oneness Pentecostals believe that you can lose your salvation if you sin, which violates Romans. Oneness Pentecostals believe in different/multiple baptisms of the Holy Spirit and multiple anointings, which violates the entire New Testament. Oneness Pentecostals believe in the “slain in the spirit” confusion, which violates Corinthians. Many oneness Pentecostals claim that the King James Version is the only legitimate Bible (although many are now abandoning this), which was first printed in 1611. So how on earth could oneness pentecostals be right on Trinity and everyone else in 2000 years of Christianity be wrong if they are so wrong and against the Bible on everything else? Why would God entrust His Truth in this critical, key matter concerning His true nature to a bunch of people that profane, mock, and make appear to be folly everything else? It would be the equivalent of giving this truth to a bunch of pagans that practice cannibalism and child sacrifice while withholding it from good, decent, righteous people, of revealing something to the people of Sodom and Gomorrah while withholding it from Noah and Abraham. In some ways, it would actually be WORSE.

    And as for saying that only God can judge, were that true it would be impossible for you to evangelize. Why? Because you would be incapable of judging a sinner by telling him that he will go to the lake of fire for eternity without Jesus Christ. The same Bible that says that you need Jesus Christ for eternal life speaks of all of the other commandments and doctrines that we need to keep. Modern Christianity has taken the false belief that so long as we all agree on Jesus Christ, everything else is negotiable. Well I am sorry, but that is not what Jesus Christ Himself said. Jesus Christ said in the gospels that lots of people that call on His Name, even cast out demons, heal people, and do great things in His Name, would be cast into outer darkness. Why? Because they did not obey. Obedience is not optional! Now perfect obedience is not possible, but a DESIRE to perfectly obey is a sign of the indwelling Holy Spirit. If you are living in continual disobedience and the Holy Spirit is not convicting, vexing, and grieving you over it, YOU ARE NOT SAVED! I do not say so, the Bible says so.

    And you know what? In truth, I am not judging people, God is. What is the Bible? The Word of God. So I do not have to judge anybody. All I have to do is tell them what the Bible says. If a person is disobeying, God has already judged them according to His Word. All I am doing is letting them know what the judgment is and what the sentence will be if they do not change their evil ways. In other words, doing what the Bible clearly says is MY JOB. If we are not to use the Bible for that purpose, then why does the Bible exist in the first place? And yes, if a Christian fails to use the Word of God to rebuke, reprove, correct, and train people, then that Christian HIMSELF is living in disobedience, that Christian is HIMSELF a sinner. That Christian is selfish. He only cares about his own righteousness, his own purity, his own spiritual maturity and standing before God, and could care less about anybody else. Those people are like the wicked servant that buried their talent in the sand, like Cain who asked “Am I my brother’s keeper?”, like Adam who when asked about the sin in the Garden of Eden tried to blame Eve and God by saying “the woman that THOU GAVEST to be with me gave me of the fruit, and I did eat.”

    Nathan, God gave you a job to do and a Bible to use as your instruction guide in doing so. Do not let the wicked state of the world dissuade you from faithfully keeping it.

  97. Jason Patterson said

    Healtheland you need to read John 1:1;14

    John 1:1- IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    John 1:14- And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    Theres God the Father, God the Son,God the Holy Ghost all in the name of Jesus.

    These two scriptures will reveal unto you that Jesus is God.So instead of putting your mouth on God’s anoited you need to seek God for the true revelation of his word.

  98. Job said

    Jason Patterson:

    Did Jesus Christ refer to His Father and the Holy Spirit as Jesus Christ? At no point does He. Does scripture refer to the Holy Spirit and God the Father as Jesus Christ at any point? No. Listen. When God spoke to Moses and the children of Israel in the desert, He told them that He would send His representative to accompany them. Who was that representative? The rock that followed them, that Moses smote according to Paul’s epistles. Who was that rock? Jesus Christ. Not God the Father or God the Son. According to your view, Jesus Christ would have not been the Father’s representative, but the Father Himself. Further, even Job knew of the office of Jesus Christ. Job stated “I know that my redeemer lives.” He was not speaking of God the Father. Why would he? At that very time, Job was accusing God the Father of treating him unfairly, and was even demanding that God come down from heaven and give an account for His behavior towards Job and Job a hearing in His presence. Job desired his redeemer to be a mediator, intercessor, lawyer, etc. of his grievance before God. And you know what? Job even stated that God would not come to face Him! (When God did do just that, Job quickly changed his tune.)

    God revealed His separate personalities and offices to Moses. Even better, Job discerned the separate personalities and offices of God without even having it revealed to him! So if people living under the old covenant knew of this matter, so are you. By the way … it was Jesus Christ that Joshua met on the plains of Jericho, not an angel. Joshua fell down and worshiped Him, calling Him “Lord”, and Jesus Christ did not prevent Him from doing so (proving that it was God, for it is only acceptable to worship God, that was why the angel refused to accept John’s worship in Revelation). Joshua knew that it was not God the Father. So did scripture at that point. Why? Scripture called the person that Joshua met the commander of the armies of the Lord. Why does scripture call him that? Because that is what Jesus Christ called HIMSELF in Joshua 5:14, captain of the army of YHWH. Jesus Christ tells Joshua to take the shoes off his feet because the ground his holy (the same instructions as given by God who spoke from the burning bush).

    Jesus Christ did not tell Joshua that He was captain of His own army. He said that He was captain of God the Father’s army. Otherwise, that encounter makes no sense. That is, unless you believe that whom Joshua encountered was Michael, Gabriel, or some other angel. If that is the case, then if Satan was cast out of heaven for merely DESIRING the praise of mankind that went to God, why was not the angel who encountered Joshua punished for not only RECEIVING it, but for COMMANDING IT by telling Joshua to take off his shoes?

    So we have three examples from the Old Testament that prove Trinity. One example for the Father, one example for the Son, and one example for the Holy Spirit. And as for this Tonex person, his words and actions demonstrate that he is not anointed. Immensely talented? Yes. Anointed? No.

  99. victor said

    alguém pode me ajudar?
    gostaria muito de saber a letra da música
    holyness – tonex!
    alguem pode mandar pra mim?
    abração!

  100. Evon said

    Tonex:
    All of us have fall short and at one time or another turned our backs on God. Through it all he never turned his back on us because even the devil knows our true destiny that why he fights us so much. Now that you have gone through your crisis now stand tall with conviction and fight this race like a brave soldier, strong, with courage and put on the hold armor of God. You have more prayer warrior than you think so when we feel weak use them and th Word of God will never fail. Now! you anf I have some work to do we have to tear down the devils stongholds and keep on keeping on.

    I Love you :Evon

  101. JB said

    I am late on this but I feel compelled to post on here in response to all the oneness bashing going on. First of all, get your facts straight. The tele-evangelists (with few exceptions) are all trinitarians and maybe even tri-theists. And Oneness pentecostals (I am one but don’t judge just yet) are foundationally not prosperity preachers. I will admit that it is creeping in… I admit that honestly. However, I do believe in what you have called modalism. I do believe that God is a Who and three Whats. Not a What (the trinity) and three whos. He does not have “personalities” as has been said. I just can’t believe that. But all that being said, I am sympathetic to your views of us. If you know your church history, which I assume you do, at one time trinitarians and oneness believers took a stand together against a much more devious heresy. Look it up, Pelagius was his name and he didn’t believe in original sin. There was also the matter of “divine flesh” which the gnostics purported. We have more to unite us than to divide us. To label someone a heretic is judgmental and rude if you don’t know all the facts. Don’t damn us all to hell based on some really bad examples. By way of background, I am a hybrid of sorts… I am a Calvinist believing pentecostal. I also believe in speaking in tongues…but it doesn’t save you. Only Christ’s atoning work on the cross saves a soul. I hate man-centered doctrine. God didn’t save us for our purposes. He has his own divine Will and sovereign plan. I’m interested to know what your background is. Please do comment. I don’t want a debate just good interaction. Thanks.

  102. Emmanuel said

    WOW….Wut Can Be Said…Well first of all HealTheLand i am personally disappointed in you….For the simple fact that you speak about the lord and jesus christ and wut not but at the same time u yourself are not going by the bible..The bible says Wen you see your brother in the wrong you dont criticize and or gossip about it..YOU PRAY FOR THEM!! Take it to God..It is not your place to condem that person. GOd is the ONLY Judge of this World…Not MAn… Adn instead of quoting the wrongs of tonex u should lift him up DAily! I love his music and he is truely blessed with an awesome voice by GOd…But at the same time I dnt agree with all of his actions but i dnt gossip about it or criticize him. Instead I pray for him that he turns his life back over 2 GOD…The bible says the God is Married to the Backslider…Everyone makes mistakes and goes through things..Some are effected differently than others. Now Tonex is going through ome hard times tight now but u dnt kick him while he’s down…. You Encourage him!! Everything Happens for a reason…God only Puts some much on us. He knows how much we can handle….Just like wen the devil was looking for someone to hurt.. God said Have YOu Considered my servant JOB? He ave the devil permission to mess with him just to c wut would happen. Killed alll his children…his cattle and took everything he had! Now Jons wife said he should jus curse god and die…But no Job Continued 2 serve the lord no matter wut!. And in the end the lord gave back 2 Job DOUBLE FOLD!!!SO i jus wanted 2 let you know that i am sadden by your Criticizm on TOnex. No Hes not Perfect and niether are you so think before u speak. and wen u see your fellow brother down dont talk about him…PRAY FOR HIM!!!! Because there will come a time where you will be in a situation and you will NOT want to be talked about like you are talking about him! Trust me And We need 2 watch wut we say because Life and Death is In the Power Of The Tounge!!!! Which means our words Produce and we can either speak LIFE or Death!!!! God Bless And im Praying for you and whoever else feels different!

  103. Job said

    Emmanuel:

    Did you see his “The Naked Truth” video? Any comments on that?

  104. The Prodigal Son said

    Anybody (such as Emmanuel) who thinks Christians are not to measure and judge their brothers and sisters… ALSO need to read I Corinthians, chapters 5 and 6. In five, a man is kicked out (yes, excommunicated, John !) of the church for having relations w/ his father’s wife… kicked out by his fellow Christians ! ~~~ ~~~ And in chapter six it reads, “Do you not know that the saints will judge the world ? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters ? Do you not know that we shall judge angels ? How much more, things that pertain to this life ?” ~~~ ~~~ By shining light on each other, we show the GREATEST love… because we aim to ensure salvation for one another, NOT turning a blind eye, for pride’s sake… a correction of REAL love !

  105. Candy said

    Guys this is the end times. Look at everything with that in your mind, as a framework. If you have an understanding of what God revealed to John (Revelations) and Paul (Thessalonians) about the end times, and about what Jesus said in the gospel of Matthew about the end times, you will be able to discern for yourself who is of God and who is not.
    We are not to follow men but cling to Jesus even more. He is the ONLY shepherd and His sheep know his voice. That’s what each one of us should focus on: back to your first love which is the Word, the Bible. Ask God to show you the times, to open your eyes.
    1)Sigaophobia mentionned in their testimony that they had “shacked up”.
    Sorry to shock you all, but there is no such thing as church wedding in the Bible, it was set up by the Catholic church. Look for it in your Bible and let me know.
    Your family’s blessing is enough, the rest is show. If you choose a man/ woman in your heart (ideally it should be God showing you the person, but many of us don’t have that patience) then she is to be your wife for ever. Jesus did say that desiring another woman in the flesh is coveting.
    2)We have become too lazy. We sit in church and depend on men to feed us, then we fight each other trying to cover their mistakes. Well they fall because they were not meant to carry us spiritually. We are all equals, there are no ministers vs church members, no bishops, no pastors. That’s a system set up by the catholic church AFTER the church in Acts. Our model should be the church in the book of Acts and epistles.
    We are to exhort and support one another, but many of us depend on others to work out our salvation for us. When we get to heaven (if we make it there) God will not ask us who was our pastor, or our worship leader. Where has anyone seen a worship leader in the church of Yeshua in the New Covenant?? We are to bring songs and praises TO ONE ANOTHER. It’s mutual support. The reason why so many gifted children of God are falling is because the system is not godly. The church is functionning in a pyramidal manner, that’s not how we see the church in acts.
    If anyone needs verses, let me know. But you should do your own homework :)) READ and KNOW your Bible, especially the NT.
    In 1 Peter 2:10 God says we are a Kingdom of Priests. We are supposed to be ministering to the World and not be sitting in church to be ministered to.

  106. [...] are some (e.g. Tonex is back, is that a good thing) who are using the fact Tonex came from an Apostolic church as an argument against what we believe. [...]

  107. The Prodigal Son said

    Candy… ~~~ ~~~ You have exhorted us all to read and know our Bibles, but your own knowledge of the contents of the Word are ALSO clearly lacking (no offence) ! ~~~ ~~~ Firstly, there are four ‘orders’ in the governance of a Church, and they are Biblical… 1) Laity : are called brethren, saints or faithful… we are the people of God, or priesthood. The other three orders are ordained and must arise from this laity… ~~~ 2) Deacons are literally servants, whose duties were first performed by the apostles… but when the workload became too great, they called upon “… seven men of good reputation, full of the Holy Spirit and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.” (Acts 6:3)… ~~~ 3) Presbyters (elders)… Paul appointed elders in every church (Acts 14:23), and also had Titus do the same (Titus 1:5). Presbyters are priests … ~~~ 4) Bishops are the “overseer”s of the other three orders, and leaders of the elders (I Timothy 3:17, Titus 1:7-9)…

  108. The Prodigal Son said

    Also for Candy, Re: marriage… ~~~ ~~~ “Then the Lord God built the rib from Adam into a woman, and brought her to him. So Adam said, ‘This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh. She shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh.’ Now the two were naked, both Adam and his wife, and were not ashamed.”… (Genesis 2:22-25) ~~~ ~~~ Then you must also consider Abraham and Sarah (Gen 11:29-23:20), Isaac and Rebecca (Gen 24), Joachim and Anna (parents of the Virgin Mary) and Zacharias and Elizabeth (Luke 1:5-58) ~~~ ~~~ Also, please see John 2:1-11 for an example of Jesus Himself, as well as His disciples and His Mother Mary being invited to and attending a wedding… this was the occasion on which Christ transformed water into wine… Also please refer to Hebrews 13:4…

  109. acts 2:38 said

    where in the bible does it say atleast one time say trinity? where is it? ans no where, I can show you in history where constatine instituted it into the catholic church, and he wasnt even a christian, he didnt say he was for jesus until his death bed. ps dont quote matthew 28 and 19 to me because baptizing them in the “NAME” is singular not plural meaning one Jesus!!!!! Tonex come back home, to the truth, this article was crap from the start

  110. Dorian said

    Well he’s worse now…trinitarian or not…

  111. Dorian said

    Well he’s worse now…trinitarian or not…

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