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Palestinian Christians Being Persecuted Versus REAL Christian Persecution

Posted by Job on February 11, 2007

Fortunately, the issue of Palestinian Christians being persecuted has faded from the news recently.  You can read read my politically incorrect thoughts on the issue here, but the amount of attention that it received was clearly just another attempt to criticize Israel. A great many Christians have bought into this scam, and not only are Christians in Palestine seeming to be getting into bed with the very same Islamists that are persecuting and slaughtering millions of Christians in Sudan and were about to start doing the same to Ethopia as they did to Sudan (before Ethiopia successfully defended themselves to the condemnation of the international community), but so are now Christians in Lebanon. This just shows how the world hates Israel more than they hate anything else, and is just another manifestation of the spirit of anti – Christ moving, setting the stage for the prophecies to be fulfilled. Now if the current interpretations of biblical prophecy are true, Ethiopia, the world’s first Christian nation – will fall to the Muslims and be a part of the coalition of nations that attacks Israel in a time shortly to come. These Palestinians Christians and their so – called supporters ought to first go to http://www.persecution.org to see what real persecution looks like, and then start reading and believing a literal translation of Revelation to know what it is going to look like in the future. For more great articles on ACTUAL CHRISTIAN PERSECUTION, try this link as well, and this one too.
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15 Responses to “Palestinian Christians Being Persecuted Versus REAL Christian Persecution”

  1. Abe Ata said

    The Palestinian Christian is an endangered species.
    When the modern state of Israel was established there were about 400,000 of us. Two years ago the number was down to 80,000. Now it’s down to 60,000. At that rate, in a few years there will be none of us left. When this happens non-Christian groups will move into our churches and claim them forever.
    Palestinian Christians within Israel fare little better. On the face of it, their number has grown by 20,000 since 1991. But this is misleading, for the census classification “Christian” includes some 20,000 recent non-Arab migrants from the former Soviet Union.
    So why are Palestinian Christians abandoning their homeland?
    We have lost hope, that’s why. We are treated as non-people. Few outside the Middle East even know we exist, and those who do, conveniently forget.
    I refer, of course, to the American Religious Right. They see modern Israel as a harbinger of the Second Coming, at which time Christians will go to paradise, and all others (presumably including Jews) to hell. To this end they lend military and moral support to Israel.
    Even by the double-dealing standards of international diplomacy this is a breathtakingly cynical bargain. It is hard to know who is using whom more: the Christian Right for offering secular power in the expectation that the Jewish state will be destroyed by a greater spiritual one; or the Israeli Right for accepting their offer. What we do know is that both sides are abusing the Palestinians. Apparently we don’t enter into anyone’s calculations.
    The views of the Israeli Right are well known: they want us gone.
    Less well known are the views of the American Religious Right. Strangely, they find the liberation of Iraqis from a vile dictator just, but do not find it unjust for us to be under military occupation for 38 long years.
    Said Senator James Inhofe (Rep.,Oklahoma): “God Appeared to Abraham and said: ‘I am giving you this land’, the West Bank. This is not a political battle at all. It is a contest over whether or not the word of God is true.”
    Inhofe must have got it wrong. Promises are being made to earthly Jerusalem that God did not make. The Holy Land was promised to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and their descendants, as stated in the Bible. These are the Palestinian Muslims, Christians and Jews, who have been living in the land for thousands of years. The Bible never mentioned that God promised it solely to Jews. Anyone can be a Jew, but not anyone can be a descendant of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and their descendants. James Inhofe and followers are unable to tell the difference between Jew, Israelite and Israel.
    House Majority Leader Dick Armey (Rep.,Texas) was even more forthright: “I’m content to have Israel grab the entire West Bank … I happen to believe that the Palestinians should leave.”
    There is a phrase for this. Ethnic cleansing.
    Silencing us, from seeking your support and enlightening you about our suffering, goes counter to what Jesus has mandated us to do. We all know that Muslims and Jews get ceaseless support (political, spiritual and financial) from Saudi Arabia and America respectively, while Palestinian Christians get nothing from Australian and other Western “Christian” governments. (The Pope has been an exception.)
    Prior to the 1967 war, the Christian youth at the Lutheran, Baptist, Methodist and other churches in Bethlehem used to pray and rejoice and have a good chat with hundreds of American Christian pilgrims. In particular Texas and California were two places from where many came to visit the Holy Land. Today only fading memories prevail. Bethlehem has been vacated by Christian families. The remaining Christians are paying the price by experiencing curfews which last for weeks. They remain sandwiched between Muslims and Jews without drawing the slightest concern from the many so-called Western Christians.
    So why do American Christians stand by while their leaders advocate the expulsion of fellow Christians? Could it be that they do not know that the Holy Land has been a home to Christians since, well … since Christ?
    Do not think I am asking for special treatment for Christians. Ethnic cleansing is evil whoever does it and to whomever it is done. Palestinian Christians – Anglican, Maronite Catholics, Orthodox, Lutherans, Armenians, Baptists, Copts and Assyrians – have been rubbing shoulders with each other and with other religions – Muslims, Jews, Druze and (most recently) Baha’is – for centuries. And we want to do so for centuries more. But we can’t if we are driven out by despair.
    We are equally frightened by those who commit suicide bombings. None of us Christians have condoned it or even contemplated the idea. Our commitment to Jesus’ teachings will never shake our resolve in this matter.
    American journalist Anders Strindberg makes a clearer conclusion. He says Palestinians are equated with Islamists, Islamists with terrorists. And presumably because all organised Christian activity among Palestinians is non-political and non-violent, the community hardly ever hits western headlines. Suicide bombers sell more copy than people who congregate for Bible study.
    What we seek is support: material, moral, political and spiritual. As Palestinians we grieve for what we have lost, and few people have lost more than us (the Ashkenazi Jews are one). But grief can be assuaged by the fellowship of friends.
    —————————————————-
    Prof Abe W Ata was a temporary delegate to the UN in 1970 and has lived and worked in the Middle East, America and Australia. Dr Ata is a 9th generation Christian Palestinian academic born in Bethlehem, and currently works at the Australian Catholic University.

  2. abe ata:

    “I refer, of course, to the American Religious Right. They see modern Israel as a harbinger of the Second Coming, at which time Christians will go to paradise, and all others (presumably including Jews) to hell.”

    That is a lie and you know it. At the Second Coming, Yeshua HaMashiach will set up His 1000 year reign. People do not get cast into “hell”, or the lake of fire, until the second death. And yes, all who do not accept Yeshua HaMashiach as their personal savior will be cast into the lake of fire. If you have other beliefs, then you are not a Christian.

    “The Bible never mentioned that God promised it solely to Jews.”

    Another lie. God told the Jews that He had given THEM the land forever, and that everyone else was to be driven out. If a non – Jew wanted to live in the land, he was to be a “stranger” and submit himself to being governed by Jews.

    “The Holy Land was promised to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and their descendants, as stated in the Bible.” The only descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are JEWS. I noticed that you did not mention that Jacob’s name was changed to ISRAEL. Palestinians – who are actually Jordanians by the way – are of the seed of ISHMAEL. ISHMAEL has no legitimate claim on Israel.

    “These are the Palestinian Muslims, Christians and Jews, who have been living in the land for thousands of years.” This was only because God sent Israel into exile first in Babylon for their idolatry, and second scattered across the face of the earth for their rejection of Yeshua HaMashiach. Now the Jews are back and the land is theirs, as it has always been.

    “So why do American Christians stand by while their leaders advocate the expulsion of fellow Christians? Could it be that they do not know that the Holy Land has been a home to Christians since, well … since Christ?”

    The Bible says that the original Christians were Jews. And nowhere does it say in the Bible that Christians were to hang out in Israel. To the contrary, it says for Christians to go spread the gospel all over the world, not to sit in Israel, collaborate with those who hate our God and steal land that was not given to you.

    Sir, you have two problems. First, you do not interpret the Bible literally. I do. Second, you see yourself as a Palestinian first, and Arab second, and a “Christian” of some sort third. And yes, I did put “Christian” in parenthesis. Why? Because you are not a true Christian unless you interpret the Bible literally. You are not a true Christian unless you love God first, all that God has given you second, and reject all else. I know getting thrown out of your home and seeing your people brutally oppressed and dispossessed is heartbreaking, but it is not worth your eternal soul. I know that you people who do not take the Bible literally do not believe in the return of Jesus Christ. But you do acknowledge that there will be a final judgment one day with those who pass going to heaven and those who fail going to the lake of fire for eternity, right? So my heart goes out to what happened to you and your people, but the bottom line is that it is not worth your eternal soul, and nothing is.

    Have you ever gotten on your knees and asked your God if He is real? And if so, have you ever gotten on your knees and asked your God what His desires are for you, your family, and your people? I see that you have a position of influence; a professor. You could be – should be – using that position to lead your people to righteousness. Instead, you are using it to deny the Bible, which is the greatest evil that any man can do, especially one who calls himself a Christian. Mr. Ata, do you not believe that God will judge you for that? Do you not believe in judgment at all?

    Look, if you are expecting me to defend the Jews or the “Christian Zionists”, then you are in the wrong place. The leaders of Israel AND the Christian leaders of America are going to have to stand before God in judgment for what they have done. But you know what? When YOUR judgment comes, you are not going to be able to tell God that you deserve a pass because of what Binyamin Netanyahu or James Inhofe said or did; your judgment will be on whether YOU believed and defended the Bible; whether YOU obeyed your God, or whether you rejected Him for some devil’s idolatry and so that you could pursue solidarity with the “Palestinians” (so named by the Greco – Romans, the name means PHILISTINE!) and the Arabs. Yes, the “Palestinians” are getting the short shrift in this life. It would be a terrible shame if your people got an even shorter one in the next one too.

  3. huh? said

    There you go with God promised Israel to the Jews. First, what is a Jew? I can convert to Judaism if I deny Christ. If I do, did God promise the land to me too? Me TOO? Secondly, many people have converted to Judaism throughout millenia since the twelve tribes. They are not genetic descendents of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and I doubt you or anyone else can say who does and who doesn’t have DNA from the twelve tribes anymore. You who try to put a yellow star that says ‘God’s chosen’ on people who are in the religion of Judaism have a very sticky problem to contend with. European Jewish Zionists have used your interpretation to take over Palestine and turn it into ‘Israel’, the boundaries and makeup of which don’t remotely resemble anything in the O.T. For example, where are the tribal boundaries you would say were literal prophecies? I know where all this is going after reading a few posts so won’t waste more time here but you are doing what I see constantly done: Taking verses out of context, out of time, and then not even able to tell who is and isn’t genetically applicable (if that was ever the standard) to a promise for a chunk of land whose boundaries are not even close to what you’re talking about, inhabited by people who are from all nationalities united into Talmudic Judaism. Like a big chop suey.

  4. huh? said

    Can’t go without addressing this from you:
    ‘The only descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are JEWS.”

    That’s one of the silliest things I’ve ever seen from someone who purports to know the Bible. So, you apparently are saying that if someone has genetics that trace back to, say, Jacob’s first son, Reuben, and somewhere along the thousands of years of intermarriage and possible conversion to, oh, let’s say Christianity…that person is a JEW? A what? ‘Christian JEW’? Or if there was conversion to Islam over the years, the person is now a ‘Muslim JEW’?

    Your quote: “Now the Jews are back and the land is theirs, as it has always been”

    Ah..would those be the Jewish converts from Norway, Britain, Germany, Russia, or the genetic descendents of the original twelve tribes…or possibly both!!!!

    And the Palestinians are actually Jordanians. That’s rich. In the Old Testament, I don’t remember reading about “Jordanians” since you take it literally. What chapter and verse were they mentioned in? I remember the Assyrians, the Moabites, Amorites, Hivites, Jebusites (inhabitants of Jerusalem kicked out by David), etc., but no Jordanians. Where/who did those Jordanians originate from…hmmmm?

    Well, when the remnant from Judah went back to rebuild the temple, they began to marry the women there and have mixed raced children….again. The bloodlines have been pretty well integrated. And of course..there’s still that ‘convert’ thing to deal with and if those Jews are also ‘chosen’.

    Bring your Bible and DNA kit and…good luck!
    God looks on the heart, not the results of a mouth swab.

  5. huh? said

    Why not keep going as it’s irresistible. Since you take the Bible ‘literally’, is Jesus a dead lamb? John’s description of him in Revelation.
    Is there a literal harlot sitting on a literal beast…a beast that literally has seven heads and ten horns?? Does the first beast literally come dripping wet up out of the sea? How about when Jesus took the bread and said it was his body? If he’s a dead lamb how can he be a piece of bread? The Bible is one of the most abused…dare I say THE most abused books in history. And people use it to abuse other people.

    So these first Christians who were Jews…who God never told to hang out in Israel (as you put it), did they stop being Jews? Because, according to you the promise of the land was given to Jews and if that was genetic, then how can you become ‘unJewish’? Which would, of course, mean that they were told to ‘hang out’ in the Promised Land if that’s what Jews were told to do. Which would mean that they should spread out, as Christian Jews, but also return to the land because they were promised it. Or something like that. Your theology is quite convoluted.

  6. huh? said

    And to Professor Ata: God loves His people, and I Peter 2:9 says this and says it about ONLY those who have not stumbled over the ‘capstone’, Jesus:
    GWT: However, you are chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, people who belong to God. You were chosen to tell about the excellent qualities of God, who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.(GOD’S WORD®)
    KJV: But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light

    and, about the genetic Israelites he said:

    Exodus 19:5 ‘Now then, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant,then you shall be My own possession among all the peoples, for all the earth is Mine;

    ********

    If God said something once, just because He didn’t repeat it every time, doesn’t mean it becomes null and void. And Paul tells us in Galatians 3 that the promise was to Abraham and his ‘seed’ (zera) meaning one…Christ. Paul, as a former Pharisee who was trained in the Scripture, stated that the singular collective was to be used here, not the plural. Only in Christ does one become Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise. No one can change that regardless of how literally they take scriptures about harlots and beasts and lambs.
    3:29: And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendant, heirs according to the promise.

    So, don’t be discouraged because God sees hearts and when Jesus returns, it will all be sorted out.

  7. Huh: Ah, you reject literal interpretation, final authority, and inerrancy of scripture. That explains a lot. So then, I must ask you a question … what makes homosexuality a sin? Adultery? Lying? Stealing? Murder?

  8. Huh-huh? said

    came accross your site by chance….i think the bible’s overall message is amazing and it’s probably why christianity appeals to so many……….however, the average jo or tom dick and harry musn’t look at it for historical representations and use it to determine who should be living in that area now…..don’t forget that it’s primarily a relgious text

    …IMAGINE IF AN ABORIGINEE TRIBE FROM SAY MALAWI RECOGNISED THEMSELVES AS THE CHOSEN PEOPLE OF GOD WHO WERE ORIGINALLY INHABITING THE AREA WHICH IS NOW KNOWN AS NEW YORK CITY AND IT IS WRITTEN IN THEIR HISTORICAL TEXTS THAT IT IS SO, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE THAT THEY GO RECLAIM NEW YORK AS THEIR HOMELAND AND CHUCK OUT THE AMERICANS? CAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE JEWS ARE DOING TO THE PALESTINIANS.

  9. Huh-huh? said

    NO IT WOULDN’T HAPPEN BECAUSE IT’S ALL ABOUT SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST….i.e. A SMALL TRIBE COULD NOT THROW OUT THE MASSES OF AMERICANS BECAUSE THEY WOULD OUTNUMBER THEM. HOWEVER, THE POPULATION OF PALESTINIANS IS SO LITTLE COMPARED WITH ISRAELIS. ITS NOT JUST ABOUT NUMBER IT’S ABOUT STRENGTH AND ARMS

  10. Huh-huh? said

    healthland, don’t forget how christianity was spread in the crusades…. by murder, stealing etc..it was done by force and by sinning!!!!!! let’s go and kill people in our crusader wars in order to tell everyone that christianity says do not kill! what a contradiction. and anyway just because the bible tells us not to do something doesn’t mean we should do it…e.g. sell out daughters into slavery!

  11. Defender Of The Faith said

    Read this verse and you will see that just because the Israelis are descendants of Abraham that DOES NOT mean that they have a right to the land.

    Ezekiel 33:23-29: 23Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying: 24 “Son of man, they who inhabit those ruins in the land of Israel are saying, ‘Abraham was only one, and he inherited the land. But we are many; the land has been given to us as a possession.’
    25 “Therefore say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “You eat meat with blood, you lift up your eyes toward your idols, and shed blood. Should you then possess the land? 26 You rely on your sword, you commit abominations, and you defile one another’s wives. Should you then possess the land?”’
    27 “Say thus to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “As I live, surely those who are in the ruins shall fall by the sword, and the one who is in the open field I will give to the beasts to be devoured, and those who are in the strongholds and caves shall die of the pestilence. 28 For I will make the land most desolate, her arrogant strength shall cease, and the mountains of Israel shall be so desolate that no one will pass through. 29 Then they shall know that I am the LORD, when I have made the land most desolate because of all their abominations which they have committed.”’

    The Jews were ONLY promised the land if they repented (Deuteronomy 28) and as of right now they are living in wickedness by their rejection of the Messiah and treatment of non-Jewish people. According to the Bible they have no right to the land.

  12. Defender Of The Faith said

    That was supposed to come out as Deuteronomy 28 not a smiley face.

  13. Ryan Close said

    Your comments to Prof Ata were the most bigoted un-Christian thing I have ever read. How dare you attack people as not holding the Bible literally because they don’t interpret it in the same way that you do? Do you take it literally when Jesus says that “this generation” will see the end of the age? No, you think that Jesus was speaking figuratively. Well, different Christians interpret different parts as either figurative or ordinary, and this is what it means to take the Bible literally. How dare you judge someone’s salvation, especially because they are concerned that their homes were taken from them and their children thrown out into the street! This is why your dispensational eschatology is so evil. It does not comport with the message of love and peace which Jesus taught, instead it promulgates ethnic cleansing and genocide. When Jesus said, “blessed are you when people revile you and persecute you,” was that literal? We should support our brothers. If we fail at this how will the world know we are the family of God?

  14. Anthony said

    As one raised with southern baptist literalist eyes promoting nonbelieving Jews as the sole inheritors of the Palestenian Christian lands as rightful recepients of God’s promise to Abraham, I can understand why to our Christian brothers in Palestine, many southern baptists and western christians come across so evil and hateful. Please understand when we read our Bibles, we see them through how our preacher taught us and he quotes lots of Holy Scriptures to back up his viewpoint. So, we are convinced that the only way to understand Scripture is the way our preacher and teachers taught us. So, when we read our Bibles, we automatically interpret them the way we are trained to do so, since we call it “rightly dividing the word of truth”. I have taught amongst our brothers in the nondenominational, baptist and pentecostal churches and many of us really think we have the only way to understand the Bible. We are hardly aware of all the Christians who suffered from Muslims in Iraq, we certainly don’t know about how our troops were used to empower muslims in Serbia while blowing up Churches to make room for more mosques, and we absolutely definitively cannot under any circumstance open our eyes to a Literal understanding of Holy Scripture as spoken in The inspired infallible Word of God in the letter to the Church in Galatia, where the physical sons of Abraham who do not trust in Christ are called Ishmaelites and those who trust in Christ by faith are called the True Israel. We do not concentrate on the nonbelieving synagogues of the jews being called the synagogues of satan as they are in Revelations 2 in the letter to the Church of Christ and we certainly are not open to the reformist ideas of Martin Luther and John Calvin who taught us to understand the Bible’s prophecies regarding the millenium as only figurative.

    humbly in Christ,
    Anthony

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